Poroshenko 1985 when serving in the Soviet Military...
Posted on 08/26/2014 10:26:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
MOSCOW/ NOVOAZOVSK Ukraine (Reuters) - On Monday, a resident of Novoazovsk in south-eastern Ukraine said she saw a column of armored vehicles approach the town and start shooting.
"It all started at 8:00 this morning, tanks appeared, no fewer than seven of them," the woman, who gave her name only as Lyudmila, told Reuters by telephone. "Right now I can hear rumbling, explosions ... the residents are hiding."
In Kiev later that morning, Ukrainian officials said the column was an incursion by Russian troops which it alleges are fighting alongside pro-Moscow separatists, a claim Russia quickly dismissed as disinformation.
That is a now-familiar ritual: the five-month conflict over eastern Ukraine is one of claim and counter-claim by opposing sides, often centering on what role Russia is playing. With the battlefield mostly too dangerous for reporters to safely move around, verifying who is doing what is usually impossible.
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However, the armored column that appeared on Monday in the far south-eastern corner of Ukraine, where it abuts the Russian border, was unusual because the spot was far removed from any territory held by the separatists.
It was therefore difficult to see how the column could have appeared in Ukraine without having come across the Russian border, unless it made an amphibious landing from the nearby Azov Sea which is improbable given the number of heavy vehicles witnesses said they saw.
A Reuters reporter was able to observe the situation in the area where the column was seen, first at the start of August and then most recently on Sunday afternoon, a few hours before the first sightings of the column were reported.
Those observations, combined with interviews with rebel leaders, Ukrainian soldiers, and other research, indicated two things.
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Ah yes, the old Russian excuse. They’re not a real country anyway, so its o.k. for us to kill them all. And yet after 6 months of Putin’s killing spree in Ukraine, nearly all Ukrainians wish to remain free. That’s quite an accomplishment for Mr. Putin.
“I think it is really obvious that these “rebels” are supplied, supported, likely manned and funded from Moscow”
The progression has been easy to follow, for the most part.
When Kiev escalated against the rebels, so did Russia with clandestine supply. Up until around the 27th of June, when the offensive against the cities started, this was pretty much a home-grown thing, with local weaponry. Moscow turned a blind eye to rebel recruiting inside Russia, as well.
When Kiev used the “Ceasefire” to build up forces in the Southeast, and used obvious US intelligence support to launch airstrikes, Putin started giving the rebels more intelligence, and heavier weapons, and AA.
When Kiev started using Grads and heavy arty against the cities, Russia gave the rebels Grads and heavy arty.
When Kiev started using Ballistic Missiles, Russian ABM’s started to respond. Russia’s moves have been pretty much to maintain parity, until the last three weeks.
As I said a couple of weeks ago, this is now the “end phase”. Kiev’s offensive capability is about done, as much by the political infighting in Kiev, as by rebel action.
Winter is coming, and Kiev has no gas. The unrest, political threats in Kiev, and the anti-conscription protests are growing in both size and coverage.
Putin has made the calculation that Obama (and hence Europe) wants nothing to do with the mess in Ukraine now, and has begun openly providing support, and doesn’t care who sees it, as evidenced by the NYTimes reporter being DIRECTED to watch columns crossing the border.
This is starting to effect Europe in tangible ways, and they want it over, too.
Hence the meeting we now see in Minsk, that apparently will be extended to a second day. The move south by the rebels is likely to open a corridor to the sea before a cease-fire takes effect.
I swear, whenever I read your posts, I imagine the Red Army Chorus singing in the background.
“I’m not convinced Putin wants Ukraine entire”
He doesn’t, as I have said since the beginning. He needs to control the mines and military factories in the Southeast (especially the Nickel), and that’s it. Crimea already gives him an open route for the South Steam.
The rest is an economic basket case that Russia has been subsidizing for years, and Putin will likely be happy to pawn it off on Europe, instead.
Putin does stand to gain if Ukraine is condisered a conflict nation...EU and Nato will not do business if it remains that....but then the Oligarchs who want the power in the EAst also stand to gain by keeping it out of Kiev’s control until “arrangements” are done to protect their areas of control With Kieve.....
Quick, someone post a photo of John McCain!
He just wants to loot the good parts and then he with withdraw his dogs?
When the Putin stooge was removed from the Presidency it pissed him off I guess.
Poroshenko 1985 when serving in the Soviet Military...
It is all BS.
Great. He’s a Soviet stooge. Maybe our stooges will shut up, now.
....”The rest is an economic basket case that Russia has been subsidizing for years, and Putin will likely be happy to pawn it off on Europe, instead”.....
Well that’s what I’ve been thinking, why would he want the rest of it?.... unless to stop the US from putting a Missil Base there, which is still on the table last I knew and one of the conditions when they funded the Maidan..... Course perhaps that’s in the negotiations now I would suspect.
The horror, he performed his military service.
“but then the Oligarchs who want the power in the EAst also stand to gain by keeping it out of Kiev’s control until “arrangements” are done”
Poroshenko needs as much protection from Right Sector and the SorosKolomoisky groups, as he does from the Russians. And I’d be surprised if that isn’t playing into the talks, as well.
As I have said since the beginning, there are LOTS of agendas at work in Ukraine.
“funded the Maidan”? Is that part of the $50 billion nonsense that keeps being parroted?
A missile base was a U.S. requirement? From what paranoid conspiracy website did you get that from? I’d love to see a citation.
YEs indeed....
That’s hardly mysterious.
Who knew that the anti-EU Nazis in Ukraine would form an alliance with the pro-EU Soros/Kolomoisky (both Jews, incidentally) faction, if you weren’t here to tell us the latest from the Kremlin?
Yes of course...but more so the Oligarchs in Ukraine and all throughout the Ukraine Government both inside and in the wings...from all services...who were taking bribes and filling their own coffers under Yanko.... that is how Ukraine politics and governance has worked for years. ...and why it could not advance for the welfare of the people. You were either on the take or a victim of it.
Putin wasn't exactly favorable toward his puppet....didn't like him. But I think he had hopes for another to fill his shoes and that fell through the cracks as well.....Maidan wasn't about to let that happen for as we saw they made sure any Russian candidate was outed from the get go....thus no Russian Representation of the Russian People.
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