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New Finds Reveal Fully-Human Neandertal
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 8-25-2014 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 08/25/2014 7:28:24 AM PDT by fishtank

New Finds Reveal Fully-Human Neandertal

by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

The case for Neandertals as more primitive members of an evolutionary continuum that spans from apes to modern man continues to weaken. Genetic and archaeological finds are completely reshaping modern concepts of Neandertal men and women.

Researchers interested in unraveling humanity's past recently sequenced a female Neandertal's ancient DNA and published their results in Nature.1 The research included sequences that closely matched: Neandertal, Denisovan, modern man, plus an unidentified variation of man. The study authors suspected that these different groups interbred. Just as prior studies showed, this one confirmed that similarities between Neandertal and other human DNA sequences place "Miss Neandertal" inside human kind.2

In the context of biblical history, ancient families founded tribes and nations soon after their dispersal from the Tower of Babel. It appears these ancient people showed much wider variation in genetic and physical differences than the more limited range found across today's human populations.3 If accurate, then we would fully expect Neandertal peoples to have been able to interbreed with other post-Babel peoples.

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; neandertal; nephilim; satanicdarwinism
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To: DManA
Seems like quite recently it was being argued that they couldn't interbreed. Somebody, somewhere, has an agenda.
41 posted on 08/25/2014 9:25:11 AM PDT by chesley
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To: 1010RD
Any literal interpretation that was honest would simply state - we don’t know.

Ah, but then we couldn't run around saying how smart we were, that WE cracked the code, WE figured it out! :)

I agree with you. St. Augustine of Hippo was one of the greatest theologians Christianity has ever produced--he wrote a whole book on the Literal Interpretation of Genesis and sheepishly admitted he was asking more questions than he was answering. He offered competing interpretations and then left it up to others to decide which one was better. I wish we could be so humble today!

Personally I favor the idea that the 6 days describe prehistoric earth and include what we know as the geologic eras. And the Garden of Eden was likely somewhere in the lower Sumerian plain in the Neolithic ca. 6000-4000 BC. I don't believe it's a coincidence that this time and this place are "the Cradle of Civilization".

42 posted on 08/25/2014 9:35:32 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Omedalus

I read a suggestion that modern humans gained an advantage over Neanderthals because they acquired the ability able to organize themselves into larger social groups. Whereas Neaderthals formed family-based clans of maybe one or two dozen, Cromagnons formed larger groups of fifty to two-hundred members. This gave them two advantages (1) they could apply their greater numbers to the smaller Neanderthal group, and (2) the same political skills which allowed to them hold such larger groups together gave them the ability to execute military strategies beyond a simple free for all. In short, early humans learned to conduct organized warfare with armies.


43 posted on 08/25/2014 9:40:25 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: fishtank
If I were a Neanderthal reading this, I would say, "Give us our H back!"

I know that the German word thal is now spelled tal, but that's no reason for changing the spelling of an historic name.

They were Neanderthals.

44 posted on 08/25/2014 9:42:47 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Omedalus
I don't find the caloric deficit theory compelling.

Cold weather tends to produce the calories needed to survive from the local fauna. The Inuit diet has been studied and the calories and nutrition they derive from their diet is readily available.

There are many different ideas on what helped to wipe out the Nean. Diet could have been a factor in the form of a virus via food. Like we see today in ebola, sars, etc, any virus that can jump a food chain.

Humans could simply have not been affected as more. Perhaps like the early past with common bacteria helping to wipe out the Injuns here.

45 posted on 08/25/2014 9:51:08 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: chesley

What would that agenda be?


46 posted on 08/25/2014 10:06:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I’ve seen plenty of men that were a wooden club and an animal skin away from being a Neandertal.


47 posted on 08/25/2014 10:09:54 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: 1010RD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIgIWL-qElM


48 posted on 08/25/2014 10:14:33 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Demonazi's are openly marching us (Jews, Christians, Conservatives) double time to Holocaust II.)
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To: DManA

I have always thought that the passion and conviction that so many have defended the “neanderthal is another species” argument was so much hokum.

I mean, come on, the evidence was slight. The anthropologists that studied bones disagreed, but the DNA fellow claimed it was so, on just a few tests. Now more tests have been done, as the evidence goes the other way.

What was the agenda? I have my suspicions, but no hard evidence, so I will say no more. Think abbout it, if you choose, or not. I could well be mistaken.


49 posted on 08/25/2014 10:18:51 AM PDT by chesley
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To: The Antiyuppie

Are we not men?


50 posted on 08/25/2014 10:39:12 AM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild
Are we not men?


51 posted on 08/25/2014 11:10:09 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: fishtank

Read all about it in Jean Auel’s ‘Clan of the Cave Bear’ books.


52 posted on 08/25/2014 12:43:49 PM PDT by citizen (There3 is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Claud

We’ve come to essentially the same conclusions. It’s why all this evolution talk doesn’t phase me. Clearly, we live in a world of enormous order, despite the advantage entropy plays. I worship a God of order, laws and logic.


53 posted on 08/25/2014 2:15:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: null and void
If they can interbreed, they are by definition the same species.

Who told you that? There are many different species that interbreed. Where do you think mules, ligers, or beefalo come from? Many types of interbreeding occur between different species within the same genus, or even different genera within the same family.
54 posted on 08/25/2014 2:17:42 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: null and void

Wouldn’t lions and tigers be the same species then, or wolves and coyotes?


55 posted on 08/25/2014 2:52:34 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

If they can interbreed and produce fertile offspring they are, by definition, members of the same species.


56 posted on 08/25/2014 7:07:38 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Svartalfiar
I should have said "If they can interbreed and produce fertile offspring they are, by definition, the same species."
57 posted on 08/25/2014 7:09:10 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

Actually, several cross-species interbreeding produces fertile offspring. While it does tend to be more rare, there are some hybrid zones producing fertile offspring (like the beefalo) that have caused that biological definition of species to be changed.


58 posted on 08/26/2014 2:51:49 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

They changed the definition????

Why wasn’t I told sooner!

(Thanks though)...


59 posted on 08/26/2014 6:24:49 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

I don’t know about officially official changed, but there is a concept known as the ‘species definition problem’.

Quick pull from wikipedia:
- The species problem is a mixture of difficult related questions that often come up when biologists define the word “species”. Definitions are usually based on how individual organisms reproduce, but biological reality means that a definition that works well for some organisms (e.g., birds) will be useless for others (e.g., bacteria).
- Over two dozen distinct definitions of “species” are in use amongst biologists.

Definition per biology-online:
- (2) An individual belonging to a group of organisms (or the entire group itself) having common characteristics and (usually) are capable of mating with one another to produce fertile offspring. Failing that (for example the Liger) It has to be ecologically and recognisably the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species#Biologists.27_working_definition


60 posted on 08/27/2014 2:24:25 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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