Ukraine forces clash with armoured convoy crossing Russia border: Kiev

AFP ^ | 2014/08/25

[TigerLikesRooster]

Ukraine forces clash with armoured convoy crossing Russia border: Kiev

"The Ukrainian border has been breached by a convoy of several dozen tanks and armoured vehicles" …

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine said a battle erupted on Monday between border guards and a convoy of "dozens" of armoured vehicles and tanks that entered its territory from Russia near the Azov Sea.

"The Ukrainian border has been breached by a convoy of several dozen tanks and armoured vehicles" which crossed in the area close to Ukraine's industrial city Mariupol, security spokesman Leonid Matyukhin told AFP.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Mariupol as a possible target mentioned earlier in the day in a tweet, but seems the Russians are still doing the whole "These aren't really Russian soldiers. They have no insignia, see?":

Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa Follow In #Amvrosiyivka #Russia's soldiers without insignia spotted, 250 armored vehicles built up for a possible attack on #Mariupol, #Novoazovsk 4:56 AM - 24 Aug 2014

[wetphoenix]

Well, if I’m not mistaking, the last “Russian” convoy has turned to be Ukrainian.

16.08.2014 War in Ukraine.The defeat of Ukrainian troops in Stepanovka part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alKhKWKjW_4

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Well, if I’m not mistaking, the last “Russian” convoy has turned to be Ukrainian.

Russkie convoys crossing from Russia into Ukraine are not "Ukrainian" convoys, Russkie propagandist, which have been confirmed by NATO, and even witnessed by western and even Russian journalists. And your video is worthless. Do you think we speak Russian and can translate it?

[wetphoenix]

~Russkie convoys crossing from Russia into Ukraine are not “Ukrainian” convoys, Russkie propagandist, which have been confirmed by NATO, and even witnessed by western and even Russian journalists. And your video is worthless. Do you think we speak Russian and can translate it?~

A picture worth a thousand words. BTW, you can clearly see where the rebels are getting their so-called “Russian” equipment.

[GeronL]

I guess we are supposed to believe these tanks have all been built recently by the rebels! lol

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

A picture worth a thousand words.

A bunch of wrecks being commented on by what looks like Russkies? How does that prove that Russia isn't sending convoys over and that everybody is lying about seeing Russia do just that?

BTW, you can clearly see where the rebels are getting their so-called “Russian” equipment.

At this point I considered posting a photo of a Russian BTR with the logo of the Russian airborne on it, but I figured you'd just say "the Ukrainians painted it."

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Yes, latest in Russian separatist innovation. They run exclusively on vodka, just like their drivers.

[wetphoenix]

~At this point I considered posting a photo of a Russian BTR with the logo of the Russian airborne on it, but I figured you’d just say “the Ukrainians painted it.”~

In fact I haven’t said a thing back when, but it is actually a Soviet VDV logo. Modern Ukraine is using it as well. By the way, there is a HUMVEE in this wrecked column. None are in Russian inventory.
And BTRs aren’t used with VDV as well. You can’t airdrop it.

[Grzegorz 246]

All sane people in the world know that the whole mess is Russian inspired/commanded/vastly supported with manpower, hardware, supply and money. If vehicle x is Russian or not is totally irrelevant, Kremlin has made a decision to “punish” Ukraine as they “dared” to walk out of stinking closet the “Russian world” is and that's what they do each and every day, thousands of people die but chauvinistic imbeciles are cheering because “Russia is rising from her knees”. A good thing is that the whole crap will, rather sooner than later, collapse under its own weight. And then... :)))

[wetphoenix]

If the Crimea is not a part of a discussion I sincerely believe there is no direct involvement by Russian government. True, they might be overlooking the border and not doing much to stop some freaks who are getting into Ukraine but nothing more than that.

[1rudeboy]

Russkie convoys crossing from Russia into Ukraine are not "Ukrainian" convoys....

Who knew the Russians are incapable, with 25,000 troops on that border, to keep the Ukrainians from crossing into Russia and reentering Ukraine at will? LOL

I just want this war to end, one way or the other, so that our Kremlin shills shut up for a while.

[1rudeboy]

Nothing more than recruiting them in Moscow, training them in Rostov, and equipping them before they are pointed west. If that is not direct involvement, nothing is.

[wetphoenix]

It is not necessarily done by the government. But government might be involved too.

[1rudeboy]

Either done by the Russian government, or allowed by the Russian government. The word "might" should not be seen anywhere near your comment.

Frankly, the Kremlin's ability to pull the wool over some people's eyes by splitting hairs between active and passive involvement is astounding. Then again, those people aren't very smart to begin with . . . .

[wetphoenix]

You are still ignoring locals involved.

[AppyPappy]

Chances are they are Russian soldiers pretending to be separatists.

[wetphoenix]

Zero evidence so far.

[1rudeboy]

Even if I was, and I am not, in what fashion does "ignoring locals" (and their involvement) speak to Russian involvement?

It doesn't. And it's comments such as yours that lead to the inevitable Kremlin tool vs. useful idiot comments. So, right now, are you being a tool, or an idiot?

[wetphoenix]

~So, right now, are you being a tool, or an idiot? ~

Your screen name speaks for yourself. The answer is none. In fact neither Ukraine nor Russia are alien to me. I don’t think that things in the East of Ukraine are justified to the very end but I’m surely see a bigger picture than you there.