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To: NorthMountain

The answers ta the link provide a measure of knowledge, but are knowledge that is limited to mere either/or thinking, reduces a situation to merely an emotional level, and is not good in the heat of the moment when cooler heads need to prevail, especially if the man has a mental disorder.

The link: all force is lethal. n

No it is not. Some force is more “lethal” than other uses of force, and the use of the word “lethal” there is a logically fallacious sweeping generalization when it comes to the use of the word “lethal.” Aiming for the legs is not “lethal use of force” when compared to center mass.

“Very unlikely to hit arms or legs.”

Officer Darren Wilson had no problem doing this. At least four shots to the arm.

These guys this close could (with 12 shots fired) easily have hit him in the legs multiple times, taking him down with legs totally incapacitated.

The rest of the link does not provide knowledge at all, either. Just more logical fallacies... Yawn...


18 posted on 08/21/2014 8:37:32 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Have you ever fired a pistol?

Have you ever even held a pistol in your hand?

Seriously ... you seem not to know what you're talking about.

21 posted on 08/21/2014 8:39:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Lots of police agencies are hiring....you should apply and work your way to the training unit and fix all this....it is easy man. Go for it.


28 posted on 08/21/2014 8:50:10 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (This town needs an enema)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The answers ta the link provide a measure of knowledge,

You should learn that knowledge.

either/or thinking

Lethal force is an either/or situation. Either you use it, or you don't. Full stop, end of discussion.

reduces a situation to merely an emotional level

False.

especially if the man has a mental disorder./

A man with a mental disorder can kill you just as dead as a man without a mental disorder. I bet you never thought of that.

Aiming for the legs is not “lethal use of force”

Shooting a pistol at someone is use of lethal force. Full stop, end of discussion. AIMING for the extremities is far more likely to result in a complete miss of the adversary than is aiming for center of mass. Anyone who has ever actually fired a handgun will know this.

“Very unlikely to hit arms or legs.” Officer Darren Wilson had no problem doing this. At least four shots to the arm.

Officer Wilson was aiming for center of mass. He pulled his shots left, probably due to injury. If he had followed your bad advice, he would have missed entirely ... and possibly killed or injured an innocent third party. Did you even think of that? Do you have any clue as to where bullets go when they miss their intended target?

These guys this close could (with 12 shots fired) easily have hit him in the legs multiple times,

Easily? Really? And your expertise to judge that is what, exactly?

31 posted on 08/21/2014 8:52:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

You don’t find many Scholastics these days.


34 posted on 08/21/2014 8:55:55 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Officer Darren Wilson had no problem doing this. At least four shots to the arm.”

Actually, that’s more likely the consequence of either having his left eye smashed in, or his trigger finger being mispositioned and forcing the barrel left when pulling.

Nobody’s mentioned “tunnel vision” in the whole Ferguson discussion. Odds are he didn’t even _see_ Brown’s legs: the brain tends to focus on what it considers the actual threat under such circumstances, discounting anything not immediately part of the threat - which in this case were the very strong hands & arms which had just cracked his skull.

Remember, he just had his skull fractured. This wasn’t a demonstration drill on a controlled range, it was a high-adrenaline action at a moving target while in fear for his life while severely injured.


48 posted on 08/21/2014 9:19:39 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

““Very unlikely to hit arms or legs.”
Officer Darren Wilson had no problem doing this. At least four shots to the arm.”

And you know that Wilson was aiming at Brown’s arms how, exactly?

Oh that’s right- you don’t.

Your pretense at understanding logical fallacies doesn’t seem to include the post hoc propter hoc fallacy that you employ here.


67 posted on 08/21/2014 9:45:11 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
and is not good in the heat of the moment when cooler heads need to prevail, especially if the man has a mental disorder...

Wow.

By definition, "cooler heads" do not prevail in the "heat of the moment." It's contradictory...your life is in danger, fine motor skills and aim go out the window...and the fact the victim had mental issues made him more, not less dangerous.

Officer Darren Wilson had no problem doing this. At least four shots to the arm.

Do you have any source for your contention that Officer Wilson was actually aiming at the arms of his attacker, and not center mass?

One more question...does the phrase "Monday Morning Quarterback" mean anything to you?

Is your "experience" with this as anything other than a spectator, and/'or as a consumer of TV Westerns?

108 posted on 08/21/2014 1:00:11 PM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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