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Police release video of fatal Kajieme Powell shooting in St. Louis
The Guardian ^ | 8/21/2014 | Chris McGreal

Posted on 08/21/2014 8:25:04 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Have you ever fired a pistol?

Have you ever even held a pistol in your hand?

Seriously ... you seem not to know what you're talking about.

21 posted on 08/21/2014 8:39:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

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- If you are unarmed or overpowered - do you cry or cover your face? Or knee “Little Mikey” in the balls - and then quickly knee him in his nose (head/face will automatically drop as you also grab Mikey’s shirt up high at his shoulders and pull downward)

- CAUTION - nose may move backwards into the . . .

- It worked pretty well at Fort Benning


22 posted on 08/21/2014 8:41:39 AM PDT by devolve (- next : a very special guest appearance by Rosemary Lehmberg -)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Some situations, no, they shouldn’t.”

I really don’t think you’re in any position to say what they should or shouldn’t do, since you don’t understand these universal principles that every policeman, soldier, and even most recreational shooters understand.


23 posted on 08/21/2014 8:41:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Suicide by cop.


24 posted on 08/21/2014 8:43:36 AM PDT by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
This is why you don't shoot for the legs.
25 posted on 08/21/2014 8:46:03 AM PDT by muddytadpole
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Look at the video. The crazy man who wanted to die fell right at the feet of the police officer on passenger side ofnthe patrol vehicle.

If the taser had failed then the officer gets stabbed.

The job requirements of a police officer DO NOT INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT THAT HE BE STABBED!

You don’t know a damn thing you are talking about.

Just because some crazy guy wants to die and forces the police’s hand and makes them shoot him does not mean the police failed or did something wrong.

The unzipped jacket makes it MORE likely the taser will fail....because if the dart hits the open jacket it will not make contact with the skin.

Tasers are not magic potions.....


26 posted on 08/21/2014 8:46:38 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (This town needs an enema)
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To: Leaning Right

>>>What about bean bag rounds fired from a shotgun? Could that have been an option here?<<<

I’m not sure that is something police routinely carry.

Many people don’t understand how quickly a man with a knife can close ground a kill a person with a gun, if the person with the gun does not fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL1zX-SrBH0&list=PLNJlkYIxT5VezaCc9x2r8X_b8b0VZg-NT


27 posted on 08/21/2014 8:47:14 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Lots of police agencies are hiring....you should apply and work your way to the training unit and fix all this....it is easy man. Go for it.


28 posted on 08/21/2014 8:50:10 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (This town needs an enema)
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To: saleman

haha! that’s great!


29 posted on 08/21/2014 8:50:25 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Boogieman

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- ignorant untrained peeps out there today - drop them at 125th Street at 2:30am on a Saturday night -

- “You can ‘just’ shoot the ‘gun/knife’ out of his hand!”.

- “NO HEARTBEAT - NO SOUP FOR YOU!”


30 posted on 08/21/2014 8:50:36 AM PDT by devolve (- next : a very special guest appearance by Rosemary Lehmberg -)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The answers ta the link provide a measure of knowledge,

You should learn that knowledge.

either/or thinking

Lethal force is an either/or situation. Either you use it, or you don't. Full stop, end of discussion.

reduces a situation to merely an emotional level

False.

especially if the man has a mental disorder./

A man with a mental disorder can kill you just as dead as a man without a mental disorder. I bet you never thought of that.

Aiming for the legs is not “lethal use of force”

Shooting a pistol at someone is use of lethal force. Full stop, end of discussion. AIMING for the extremities is far more likely to result in a complete miss of the adversary than is aiming for center of mass. Anyone who has ever actually fired a handgun will know this.

“Very unlikely to hit arms or legs.” Officer Darren Wilson had no problem doing this. At least four shots to the arm.

Officer Wilson was aiming for center of mass. He pulled his shots left, probably due to injury. If he had followed your bad advice, he would have missed entirely ... and possibly killed or injured an innocent third party. Did you even think of that? Do you have any clue as to where bullets go when they miss their intended target?

These guys this close could (with 12 shots fired) easily have hit him in the legs multiple times,

Easily? Really? And your expertise to judge that is what, exactly?

31 posted on 08/21/2014 8:52:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Boogieman

9 times out of 10 cops don’t need to shoot and don’t. Rational perps/suspects know the gig is up when a cop draws his gun and complies. Its the ones who don’t comply that end up getting shot.

One of my neighbors is a former Detroit cop. He says he drew his gun several times in his 11 years with the force but never fired it aside from at the range.


32 posted on 08/21/2014 8:53:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This was a murder. You know that from the last two shots.


33 posted on 08/21/2014 8:54:20 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

You don’t find many Scholastics these days.


34 posted on 08/21/2014 8:55:55 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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Unanswered was why the police did not shoot him in the legs rather than kill.

Because it is a dumb-a$$ed qurestion...NEXT!

35 posted on 08/21/2014 8:57:32 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Stentor

You get a lot of people trying to pass off sophistry as scholasticism ...


36 posted on 08/21/2014 8:59:36 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

Whatever.....you don’t know jack. Go to the force science institute website or look up their scientific studies videos online. You may actually learn something about what you seeing.


37 posted on 08/21/2014 8:59:46 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (This town needs an enema)
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To: NorthMountain
You get a lot of people trying to pass off sophistry as scholasticism ...

Fair point.

38 posted on 08/21/2014 9:03:34 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I’m not sure that is something police routinely carry.

Perhaps a bean-bag shotgun should be in every supervisor's patrol car trunk, for situations just like this one. Remember the recent incident with the old man holding a knife in the nursing home? The old man was gunned down. One bean bag round would have ended that incident relatively peacefully.

I often wonder how police in Britain handle such situations.

Many people don’t understand how quickly a man with a knife can close ground a kill a person with a gun

Yes. The Tueller Rule. That cannot be overlooked.

39 posted on 08/21/2014 9:04:49 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: muddytadpole

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- great video - if you cannot kill you should not think you can protect yourself or others with a firearm

- - play it again Mikey! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo


40 posted on 08/21/2014 9:07:55 AM PDT by devolve (- next : a very special guest appearance by Rosemary Lehmberg -)
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