Posted on 08/20/2014 12:28:48 PM PDT by DTA
Help me out here, is “neocon” the anti-Semite’s code word for Jew?
Neocon is political term used to denote disciples of Leo Strauss who use Trotskyst methods to hijack democratic process. The majority of them are WASPs.
Speaking of Anti-semites, they hold seats of power in Kiev government. The bulk of Right Sector is made of them.
If you want to learn Anti-semite code words, better ask people who post here supporting Kiev goons, it is their parlance. I guess many of them are card-carrying members of Swoboda (goons formerly known as “social-nationalist party”) with Bandera picture adorning their walls.
How can you bear to go on? Beset by Ukrainian Nazis on FR, and all that.
Svoboda got less than 2% of the vote in the most recent elections, nor is anti-Semitism their defining feature. Meanwhile, there are many Jews represented in the current government. I would suggest you look to your heroes a little to the east and north in Moscow to find a true hotbed of anti-Semitism. Putin spends almost as much time using Jews as he does Ukrainians as his scapegoats. Also, ask yourself why Russian weapons are being sent to Hamas. Why Putin’s sock puppet Assad is helping ISIS.
Ukraine had presidential elections in 25th of May. Nationalist populists candidate from Svoboda got 1.16% of the votes.
I nominate this post as the most brazen spin of the year.
In reality U.S. supports ISIS to topple Assad.
I guess that support for Kiev goons makes mandatory requirement of having Florida temperature IQ and being able to state brazen lies without blinking.
-——the liberal delusions———
dr ben carson just put forward the phrase “secular progressives”
the secular progressive delusion is responsible......
Another brazen spin of yours. In reality, U.S. supports HAMAS financially
and with weapons as well by selling weapons to HAMAS sponsor Qatar. .
“U.S. supports HAMAS financially”
Oh my, isn’t America evil :)) ?
The only new thing in this analysis are the couple of paragraphs near the end where he takes Ukrainian wishes into consideration, and even then it amounts to “hey, suck it up”.
Russia has been driving this conflict for a year now, not the West. The author advocates neutral Ukraine but that is what it was for the past 20 years. Recently, 5 years of pro-western Yuschenko were followed by 4 years of pro-Russian Yanukovich but the country remained neutral. The break from equilibrium happened when Yanukovich was about to sign on to the Eurasian Customs Union. (There is a huge difference between signing a trade agreement with EU and joining the Customs Union where Ukrainian economic sovereignty was to be surrendered to the majority controlling Russia. EU Trade Agreement was just that, a free trade agreement. The political Association Agreement accompanying it, is very weak. Israel and Muslims in North Africa have a political Association Agreements with EU, insignificant, it can’t compare to loss of economic sovereignty if Ukraine was to sign on to the Customs Union)
So from the geopolitical point of view, it was Russia pushing Yanukovich towards CU who broke the neutrality of Ukraine.
Personally, I’m not fully convinced to see this conflict purely in geopolitical terms, as something between Russia and US. With all due respect, $5B over 20 years, or $250M a year is pocket change. The estimate of how much Yanukovich and his Family were stealing had been billions of dollars a year.
Looking solely at geopolitics doesn’t explain
- why 2004 Maidan was peaceful and 2014 Maidan was not. The situation is almost identical and if “Russian strategic national interests” had been threatened Putin would’ve put up a fight back then.
- why Ukraine under Yu. didn’t join NATO but continued to have relations with Russia. If Germany and France blocked the NATO bid under Yuschenko they would continue to block it with the next pro-western Ukrainian leader.
- why US had “allowed” a pro-Russian president like Yanukovich to be elected in Ukraine or why Georgia is making overtures to Russia today. US was putting so much effort to bring these countries under the western influence, why give them up?
Russian “strategic national interests” argument is BS. Conquering and holding Warsaw can be a “strategic national interest”. So is bombing Washington. Russia can pursue her strategic national interests all she wants, but if pursuing her own national interests means moving soldiers into Ukraine, which is against Ukrainian national interests, then she can go f**k herself.
The global spread of Islamofascism in the last 50 years coincides with the U.S. military presence and can not be ruled out as facilitating factor. It started with cleansing of Hellenes from Turkey, U.S. client state, northern Cyprus (Turkish invasion under U.S tutelage), murder of Christians under Indonesian rule (U.S. client state), creation and support to AQ in Afghanistan and Bosnia, expulsion of Christians in Kosovo by American proxy (Albanian terrorists), murder of Christians in Syria by ISIS, an U.S. proxy, and last but not least murder and expulsion of Christians in Iraq.
From Christian point of view, enabling Muzzies monsters to exterminate Christians is evil.
And it started before Hussein entered the White hut.
To paraphrase Dylan, Though they murdered hundreds of million they slayed, The Muzzies now too have God on their side.
IMHO, geopolitical angle can not be taken one second from the view. It started with Otto Von Bismarck and his notion that Russia with Ukraine is global power and Russia without Ukraine is regional power. He provided blueprint how to split Russia soil into two bleeding parts hating each other. It took almost 150 years, but it's being done.
Global powers are like battleships, not speedboats, they need time to adjust course.
Maidan 2004 and Maidan 2014 belong to two historical eras.
In 2004, Emperor was still under illusion Siberia could be snatched from Russia, hence caution not to prematurely wake up the bear.
The watershed was 2008, the moment World realized the Emperor is naked. Economic collapse was merely external sign of it. That was the moment Emperor realized that New American century is a pipe dream and got nervous, like gambler on meth.
In 2014. Emperor goes for broke, plays va banque. That's why snipers were hired to create havoc on Maidan, that's why an airliner was taken down, that's why the parade of fools can be seen daily, from Victoria Nuland to press conferences hosted by an airhead while Golfer in Chief takes another vacation. Dangerous times.
Bismarck is not an authority on Ukraine and her history. This myth of “brotherhood” was rebuked over and over again, before and after Bismarck. (From Sahaidachnyi, Vyhovsky, Doroshenko, Mazepa, Orlyk to Shevchenko, Hrushevskyi, Dontsov, Petliura...)
Geopolitics, while impressive in its scope, sometimes can’t control simple but important stuff like the general mood of a population. The dollars spent on democracy groups is wasted if there’s no genuine discontent or grievances against the Chief Crook of the country. Whether the State Department or CIA was supporting it, protests against Yanukovich were going to happen.
I agree to look into a a black box and not to take things at face value. But then how deep am I supposed to look before getting diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic? If you’re not going with the widely accepted version that it was the Russians who shot the plane down, but going a level deeper, that it was Ukrainians/Americans who did it to frame the Russians, why stop at this level and not ask who framed the Ukrainians who tried to frame the Russians, and so on. Also, sometimes, things “just happen”
Just wondering, do you think the protests in Ferguson is a Russian FSB operation, payback for Ukraine?
Must be the "f**k Russia" bit at the end :)))
I don't think so. That would be something from KGB playbook during Brezhnev era.Unlike U.S., Russia is not ideological any longer, nothing tangible for them to tarnish America. They operate more along the line of a joke about the three Hells Angels harassing an old truck driver in a truck stop ("not much of a man" - says Hells Angel. "Not much of a truck driver either. He just backed his truck over three motorcycles"- waitress replied)- they'll hit where it tangibly hurts U.S. interests in the long run.For example, can you imagine who else got Snowden's information from Russia?
Or take for example what Zhirinovsky said what will happen with Poland and Baltic states if war breaks out between Russia and the West (will be wiped off the map). Poles were very upset by this remark. Not because what the clown said but because the general sentiment about Poland-U.S. relationship best described by Polish FM ("It is downright harmful, because it creates a false sense of security ... Complete bullshit. We'll get in conflict with the Germans, Russians and we'll think that everything is super, because we gave the Americans a blow job. Losers. Complete losers.") Sanctions against Russia are costing Poland hundreds of millions. That's the preview of coming attractions how NATO partners feel about U.S. insane leadership and how much it will cost U.S. to rectify it, if ever.
Spontaneous movements of the masses do not happen. It has to do something with a human nature. Up to seven people who have never seen each other can agree about choosing one of them as a leader. When the eight person joins the group, group dynamics kicks in - there is a power struggle, one leader, one challenger for his place. Unless there is higher authority, everything falls apart, no matter what people think. Authority is provided from the top, not selected from the bottom. Wherever there is a large group of people working in concert, there is a hierarchical command structure present, visible or hidden.
Maidan mass was no different.
Wow, a conspiracy spouting, anti American Canadian.
Uncle Tommy is that you? Oh wait, that’s about 10% of Canadians I’ve met.
I guess you call Gen. Smedley Butler "a conspiracy spouting, anti American American".
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