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Providing futile treatment prevents other patients from receiving the critical care they need
ScienceDaily ^ | August 20, 2014 | University of California

Posted on 08/20/2014 11:40:18 AM PDT by Sparklite

"It is unjust when a patient is unable to access intensive care because ICU beds are occupied by patients who cannot benefit from such care. Our findings are particularly relevant in the U.S., but are also instructive elsewhere given universal concerns regarding providing treatments that are non-beneficial," the study states.

"The ethic of 'first come, first served' is not only inefficient and wasteful, but it is contrary to medicine's responsibility to apply healthcare resources to best serve society. In the context of healthcare reform, which aims to more justly distribute medical care to the nation, opportunity cost is one more reason that futile treatment should be minimized."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; deathpanels; obamacare
It's death panels, all the way down.
1 posted on 08/20/2014 11:40:18 AM PDT by Sparklite
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To: Sparklite

The death panels are for your own good.


2 posted on 08/20/2014 11:40:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Sparklite

Take them out of the ICU and give them a pill.


3 posted on 08/20/2014 11:42:18 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Sparklite

A 90 year old doesn’t have long to go in his tax paying life, so he shouldn’t take up a bed that taxpayer could use.


4 posted on 08/20/2014 11:44:53 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Rand is behind this, no surprise.


5 posted on 08/20/2014 11:46:41 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: steve8714
Randy is a DemocRAT in Libertarian clothing.
6 posted on 08/20/2014 11:50:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Sparklite
futile treatment . . . unbeneficial medical care . . . what medicine is able to do and what medicine should do . . . medicine is commonly used to achieve goals that . . . perhaps most of society, would not value . . . .

Pelosi has the answer!

Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative (PELOSI)

Off the elderly!

They have a duty to die and get out of the way.

Obamacare's PELOSI "Give 'em a pill."

7 posted on 08/20/2014 11:53:37 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Elderly, autistics, downs, very young as well.

Not to mention ‘inadvertently’ excluding the politically ‘disagreeable’ from time to time.


8 posted on 08/20/2014 11:54:53 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Sparklite

Providing free care to illegals prevents other patients from receiving the critical care they need.


9 posted on 08/20/2014 11:59:27 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Sparklite

Somehow, I don’t think this topic would be discussed except for the federal government having a vested interest in cost containment.

Never understood people who could be in favor of the entity that writes Social Security checks also being the one that writes medicare checks. Talk about a moral hazard. If one corporation had that power, the left would be going absolutely nuts.


10 posted on 08/20/2014 12:05:02 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Black Agnes; shibumi

“To best serve society” is a cookbook!


11 posted on 08/20/2014 12:06:27 PM PDT by Salamander (People will stare. Might as well make it worth their while.)
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To: steve8714

That’s RAND, not Rand Paul, just so there’s no confusion.


12 posted on 08/20/2014 12:07:44 PM PDT by Sparklite
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To: Sparklite

>> “The ethic of ‘first come, first served’ is not only inefficient and wasteful

Arguably true.

But the ethic of “we, your betters in the government, shall decide who lives and who dies” is downright EVIL.

I’ll opt for inefficient over evil, any day.


13 posted on 08/20/2014 12:19:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Sparklite

The irrational folks....keep many hospitals & LTAC’s making money.


14 posted on 08/20/2014 12:22:30 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Black Agnes
Elderly, autistics, downs, very young as well.

Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm's big brother) figured it all out for us. He even drew up pretty graphs so we'd understand:


15 posted on 08/20/2014 12:30:32 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Sparklite

Death Panels? Obama Admin May Pay Doctors to Conduct “End of Life” Discussions With Patients

lifenews.com/2014/07/16/death-panels-obama-admin-may-pay-doctors-to-conduct-end-of-life-discussions-with-patients/

Jennifer Popik, JD | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 7/16/14

In a recent Politico Magazine article titled, “Let’s Talk About Death Panels,” Harold Pollack urges reviving one of the most notorious proposals that did not make it into the Obama Health Car Law – “advance planning consultations.”

During the debate over Obamacare’s enactment, there was considerable controversy over a provision in an early version under which health care providers would have been paid by Medicare to discuss with their patients whether they would want life-saving medical treatment.

After former Alaska governor and vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin dubbed the planning sessions “death panels,” the provision was dropped from the law ultimately enacted.

As Pollack acknowledges, “The ‘death panel’ charge stuck because it tapped into the primeval fears of millions of Americans. It’s only human to worry that we might someday be abandoned when we are old and sick, and thus judged to be a social burden. Such worries run especially deep among senior citizens, who had the most reason to feel vulnerable, and who perceived that they had the least to gain from the ACA.”

In the time since the “advance care planning” provisions were struck from the Obama Health Care law, there have been several attempts to resurrect the concept through various stand-alone bills in the House and Senate. Now, according to media reports, the American Medical Association (AMA) is working directly with the Obama Administration to implement reimbursement by administrative action, bypassing Congress.

In to a Stateline Article from the Pew Foundation titled, “Feds to Consider Paying for End-of-Life Planning,” Michael Ollove writes, “The current effort began last year, when the Illinois State Medical Society recommended that the AMA adopt specific medical codes for the reimbursement of doctors for advance care conversations. Medical codes provide a uniform description of hundreds of medical procedures and services and are used by medical providers, hospitals and insurers across the country. In response to the Illinois request, an AMA panel approved a new code for advance planning.”

The AMA is expected to submit the proposal to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services soon so that providers all across the country can be reimbursed for these “advance planning conversations.”

Such federally funded “advance care planning” conversations pose a very real danger, because they are likely to be used to nudge people to reject life-saving medical treatment they might otherwise want.

Advocates of using tax dollars to pay for “advance care planning” claim it is intended to promote neutral, fully informed planning by which patients can be assisted to implement their own values through legally valid advance directives. Unfortunately, however, there is abundant evidence that a combination of cost pressures and the ideological commitment of a significant number of health care providers to limitation of life-saving treatment for those deemed to have a “poor quality of life” would in practice lead to many federally funded advance care planning sessions being used to exercise subtle – or not-so-subtle – pressure to agree to reject life-preserving treatment.

While the advance care planning provision in the early version of what became Obamacare was being debated in Summer 2009, author and blogger Lee Siegel, in general a strong advocate of President Obama’s approach to health care restructuring, wrote:

[O]n one point the plan’s critics are absolutely correct. One of the key ideas under end of-life care is morally revolting.

The section, on page 425 of the [original House] bill, offers to pay once every five years for a voluntary, not mandatory, consultation with a doctor, who will not blatantly tell the patient how to end his or her life sooner, but will explain to the patient the set of options available at the end of life, including living wills, palliative care and hospice, life sustaining treatment, and all aspects of advance care planning, including, presumably, the decision to end one’s life.

The shading in of human particulars is what makes this so unsettling. A doctor guided by a panel of experts who have decided that some treatments are futile will, in subtle ways, advance that point of view. Cass Sunstein, Obama’s regulatory czar, calls this “nudging,” which he characterizes as using various types of reinforcement techniques to “nudge” people’s behavior in one direction or another. An elderly or sick person would be especially vulnerable to the sophisticated nudging of an authority figure like a doctor. Bad enough for such people who are lucky enough to be supported by family and friends. But what about the dying person who is all alone in the world and who has only the “consultant” to turn to and rely on? The heartlessness of such a scene is chilling.

It has become widespread to now talk about treatment as being costly and burdensome, depending on one’s ‘quality of life.” Pollack himself illustrates this, writing, “Under the current system, physicians can bill Medicare for aggressive imaging, procedures and chemotherapies treatments that may bring little patient benefit in advanced illness. Doctors and hospitals are far more handsomely rewarded for the placement of a feeding tube or a ventilator than they are for meeting with patients and families to determine whether these therapies are helpful or wise.”

In a taxpayer-funded advance care planning session, a patient with cancer might well be told chemotherapy provides little benefit because it will leave him or her with a disability and only “prolong life,” without a cure. The extra period of life might be exactly what a person would want, but because the treatment was presented in such a negative way the patient might well be lead to agree to reject treatment.

A major campaign (the subject of a forthcoming NRL News Today article) is now being waged to show videos to patients that are clearly weighted to persuade them to forego cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, and its proponents do not hesitate to cite the financial savings associated with the increased number of viewers (as opposed to patients not subjected to the videos) who agree to DNRs. Importantly, there is no apparent realistic way to adequately monitor the interactions in such tax-funded sessions to ensure that the presentation of options is done in a neutral way, rather than one biased toward rejection of treatment.

A precedent on the federal level is a Veterans Affairs patient decision-making aid that was the subject of considerable discussion during the debate over the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, a 53-page production entitled “Your Life, Your Choices.” The booklet had worksheets to fill out for “Current Health,” “Permanent Coma,” “Severe Dementia,” “Severe Stroke” and “A future situation of concern when I might not be able to express my wishes.”

For each of these there was a section on “quality of life.” Only for current health was there a choice to affirm that life is worth living without reservation. For all of the others, the choices were “Life like this would be difficult, but acceptable,” “Life like this would be worth living, but just barely,” and “Life like this would not” – the “not” is underlined – “be worth living.” In each circumstance except current health a negative picture was given. For example, “Terminal Illness” was described as a state in which you “have a lot of discomfort that requires medication [,] are in bed most of the time due to weakness [, and] need help with getting dressed, bathing, and bowel and bladder functions.” You can read more about this at www.nrlc.org/archive/news/2009/NRL07-08/RationingPage1.html; and www.nationalreview.com/articles/228199/your-life-not-worth-living/jim-towey.

Of course, what people experience when terminally ill varies widely depending on the particular illness and many other factors, but this booklet seemed designed to lead people to believe that life with terminal illness will be almost unremittingly bleak. In the words of Paul Malley, President of the national non-profit organization Aging with Dignity, “’Your Life, Your Choices’ encourages our nation’s service men and women to look at illness and disability as things that render life not worth living.”

When “advance planning” is so heavily promoted by advocates of cost-cutting and the “quality of life” ethic, we need to consider it with a critical eye – one that asks “who is driving these conversations, and what will they say to people in a vulnerable position?”

Note: The National Right to Life Committee supports the use of advance directives by which individuals may indicate their wishes regarding medical treatment should they become incapable of making health care decisions; indeed, we promote our own alternative, the “Will to Live,” and make available separate forms complying with the laws of each of the states.

Our concern is that in practice federally funded “advance care planning sessions” are likely to pressure patients into rejecting treatment essential to preserving their lives in a manner they would be unlikely to agree to under conditions of truly informed consent.

16 posted on 08/20/2014 1:49:19 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Sparklite

Don’t worry. With Obamacare, we ALL get crap care.


17 posted on 08/20/2014 4:01:55 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: RJS1950

“Providing free care to illegals prevents other patients from receiving the critical care they need.”

Like our veterans. Our vets have to wait months for an appointment, yet illegals have doctors and nurses waiting for them as soon as they step foot over the border.


18 posted on 08/21/2014 10:05:37 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sparklite

All of the ICU’s I was in were almost empty. What’s this chucklehead talking about?


19 posted on 08/21/2014 10:07:28 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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