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To: FreedomStar3028
You are right. It is more complicated.

Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.

10 posted on 08/16/2014 5:10:51 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: McGruff

Right again it’s not that simple...

Any effort to break eastern Ukraine from Ukraine proper would meet resistance not only from the western half of the country, but from wide swaths of Ukrainians living within those regions (This is a good time to note that past polls have indicated that a majority of Russian-speakers living in the country have also expressed loyalty to Ukraine and not Russia. Also, some people who identify themselves as Ukrainian-speaking may speak Russian in their day-to-day lives).

“There are significant numbers of ethnic Ukrainians who continue to speak Ukrainian in the east and in the south,” says Ukraine scholar Alexander Motyl in a recent interview with RFE/RL. “There are significant numbers of passionate Ukrainians, let’s call them patriots, who speak Russian and who prefer Russian culture, and who nevertheless are committed to Ukrainian statehood and Ukrainian nationhood.”

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-east-west-divide/25279292.html

And no matter what ITS NONE OF RUSSIAS BUSINESS.


14 posted on 08/16/2014 5:18:20 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: McGruff
Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.

Coming to a county near you, in the US, if we don't do something about our borders. That is, we're rapidly developing border areas that are more Mexican than US-oriented. It starts with Mexican flags at soccer matches and street parades; this is what it develops into when the ability of the melting pot to culturally absorb immigrants (and aliens) is exceeded.

26 posted on 08/16/2014 6:06:48 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: McGruff

In addition to the 2004 and 2010 elections map, you also need to look at 1991, 1994 and 2014 presidential map

What it shows is that in 1991 the only ones voting for a pro-democratic pro-Ukrainian candidate Chornovil was Galicia.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_1991

In 1994, that candidate, relatively speaking, was Kravchuk, and the Ukrainian “nationalists” had now spread to Kiev and Cherkasy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_1994

1999 election was an anomaly, Galicia voted against the commie and voted same as some other regions in the east.

2004 and 2010 elections show that the Ukrainian “facsists” made further progress to Sumy, Poltava, Kirovohrad. (In 2010, had it not been for political infighting and the financial crisis, it would have been greater, but oh well, live and learn. Maybe the guys in charge learned something.)

No need to comment on the 2014 elections where Poroshenko won throughout the country. Pro-Russian candidate, Dobkin, in the middle of a war against Russia, did not do well.

It still might too early to call pro-Russian candidates and parties dead, but when you have Russian troops crossing the border and kill Ukrainians there, the number of Ukrainian “nationalists” (as Russia calls them, but it’s just common sense patriotism), it should increase in the south and east of the country.


134 posted on 08/16/2014 12:49:41 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: McGruff; FreedomStar3028
Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.

And why would you want to do that, Russkie? Yanukovych ran on a Pro-EU platform, not a Pro-Slavery one. Poroshenko ran on an Independence from Russia platform and got these results, which you've seen millions of times but are too dishonest to ever deal with them.

Red went to Poroshenko:


146 posted on 08/16/2014 5:21:21 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: McGruff
Much of western Ukraine advocates closer ties with the European Union while eastern and southern regions look to Russia for support. The stark east-west divide was evident in Viktor Yanukovych's 2010 presidential election runoff victory over Yulia Tymoshenko.

How is this division any different, fundamentally, than the red state/blue state division in the US?

156 posted on 08/16/2014 11:24:28 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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