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Police Militarization Is a Problem the Left and Right Can Agree About — and Solve
New York Magazine ^ | August 14, 2014 | Benjamin Wallace-Wells

Posted on 08/14/2014 2:41:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Temujinshordes
Would you want to go out there without protective clothing?

Are you suggesting the police are unable to perform their duties while wearing standard police uniforms, and must wear military combat uniforms?

Is this why police agencies all over the U.S. have obtained hundreds of military combat vehicles in recent years?

21 posted on 08/14/2014 3:08:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: nickcarraway

Cops just need to watch old reruns of Dragnet. Joe Friday never needed a SWAT team (and he never killed a dog).


22 posted on 08/14/2014 3:09:45 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

It would be very difficult not to notice them.


23 posted on 08/14/2014 3:12:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Temujinshordes

The left caused this problem. It is nor something conservatives wanted, supported or ever to my knowledge advocated.

Why do we have to have militarized police?

1. The left encouraged minorities to engage in organized violence

2. Drugs that the leftist want to take. The gangs and cartels are militarized so the police must be as well.

3. The left by encouraging a questioning of legitimate authority has created an atmosphere of distrust

4. By refusing to condemn the anti-social aspects of minority cultures under the color of Political Correctness the left encouraged violence

5. By transforming schools from places of education to political indoctrination camps the left encourages this because youths no longer graduate with job skills.

6. By adopting policies that destroyed minority families the left removed positive role models from the lives of youth

7. By creating a permanent underclass the left has created a whole group of people with nothing left to lose.

There is no moral equivalency here militarized police are a creation of the left to solve the problems they created.

It could be argued that it was done intentionally to foster a police state but I don’t do not think leftist are actually that smart. I do think it is a logical outgrowth of the policies of the left. If you want to see how to reduce crime without a militarized police look at what Rudy G did in New York.


24 posted on 08/14/2014 3:13:09 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

Bump!


25 posted on 08/14/2014 3:15:31 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: dragnet2

No. I am saying that it is only prudent to protect oneself to the extent practicable given that there are some individuals that would take your life in a volatile situation.


26 posted on 08/14/2014 3:16:34 PM PDT by Temujinshordes
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To: Temujinshordes

No..

Glad to hear that....

The point here is the police have no GD business playing military or dressing up in combat military uniforms...

They need to ditch the this whole military thing and get back to being police.


27 posted on 08/14/2014 3:19:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: fwdude

That’s a thought provoking question. I don’t have time to attempt an answer at the moment. I’ll be back in a few hours.

Hopefully this thread will not have decayed into the usual flame war by then.


28 posted on 08/14/2014 3:20:42 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: nickcarraway

The problem with giving local police, military toys, is that they will find every excuse to go out and play with them.....and innocent citizens end up DEAD!


29 posted on 08/14/2014 3:22:39 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: nickcarraway; All

bu... bu... but!

the evil white devil cop who shot the black kid wasn’t using a “militarized weapon” it was a standard issue handgun.


31 posted on 08/14/2014 3:26:14 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Orwell's writings were meant as warnings, but to the left they are instruction manuals.)
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To: Mariner

Radical Concept:

Cops focused on preventing criminals from committing crime

NOT raising revenue by writing tickets to innocent civilians attempting to legally go about their day.


32 posted on 08/14/2014 3:27:39 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FREE REPUBLIC: Bring a FRiend!)
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To: Cubs Fan
Black people commit more crimes than every other racial group.

Actually they are rivaled by Hispanics in numbers in many regions, but your overall point is still valid.

33 posted on 08/14/2014 3:28:44 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Fai Mao
The WOD was originated and sustained on the right.

Law -abiding middle class have advocated for DECADES for more cops and bigger cop budgets. Folks on the right never questioned it because that force was RARELY used against them.

The Left did not militarize the police alone. They had enormous support from the right.

Your argument is more to justify the right's insistence for more cops with more weapons....cause folks in the ghetto rarely advocate for more cop money or more cops.

The right RESPONDED to deteriorating social conditions with cops.

I say it's time to re-think that.

34 posted on 08/14/2014 3:29:54 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: G Larry

That’s right Larry...

It’s like giving government the authority, money and tools to spy on law abiding American’s, they’ll do it....And they’re doing it.


35 posted on 08/14/2014 3:29:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: fwdude

It is in the eye of the beholder. I am amazed at these comments. Wow, this country really is unraveling.


36 posted on 08/14/2014 3:30:52 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: nickcarraway

Militarization is not the deepest problem that surfaced in Ferguson

No it’s not, the the deepest problem is that black culture fosters thuggish criminal conduct.

How many unarmed blacks are shot by cops?

Answer very very few.

How many blacks are shot by other blacks?

Answer thousands.


37 posted on 08/14/2014 3:34:05 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Orwell's writings were meant as warnings, but to the left they are instruction manuals.)
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To: Mariner

Yeah, well every body knows white people have way more to fear from white cops than black criminals

Oops, wait, that’s not right.


38 posted on 08/14/2014 3:36:13 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Orwell's writings were meant as warnings, but to the left they are instruction manuals.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Wow, this country really is unraveling.

Yes it is.

39 posted on 08/14/2014 3:37:28 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: fwdude
Could someone please define “militarization” for me, concretely?

I can...Police wearing military combat uniforms routinely in almost every agency all over America now, police agencies given hundreds of military combat vehicles by your government, the use of drones, helicopters, using heavily armed combat units to serve routine warrants, shooting unarmed people and their pets, similar to what happens in brutal war zones and on and on...

Ya been in an isolated cave for the past several decades?

Do you have any idea why there is now growing escalating widespread distrust for law enforcement/government?

??

40 posted on 08/14/2014 3:40:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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