Posted on 08/13/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by Mariner
That's not working out too well with regard to Moslems. What makes you think it will work out better with cops?
I didn’t say all.
I said most.
Doesn’t matter. Most of the time you know who the cop is, and while it can be criminal in these shootings, it is 100% criminal what Anonymous does. Most of the times cop killings are unintentional, 100% of the time Anonymous leaks information(even incorrect information) intentionally that endangers innocents. It is only a matter of time before people die because these snot nosed lefty anarchists you are arguing for didnt do the homework they claim to have done.
Because that's what terrorists do.
Caveat noted: but the question still remains....
If you are referring to Cornelia Police Department raid you are completely miscasting what transpired there
The house that was “raided” was a meth house that an informant had told the police was being guarded by armed men.
The babies crib was allegedly being used by the occupants to block and jam a door in the house.
Note, the babies family had moved into this house after they allegedly burned their own house down cooking meth.
Here is the CNN report on the obviously tragic event-
“The SWAT team, made up of six or seven officers from the sheriff's department and the Cornelia Police Department, entered the Cornelia residence Wednesday before 3 a.m.
A confidential informant hours earlier had purchased methamphetamine at the house, the sheriff says. The informant told police that there were men standing guard outside the home, and it was unclear whether they were armed, according to CNN affiliate WGCL.
Because the suspected drug dealer, Wanis Thonetheva, had a previous weapons charge, officers were issued a “no-knock warrant” for the residence, Terrell said.
Wanis Thonetheva is being held without bond.
When the SWAT team hit the home's front door with a battering ram, it resisted as if something was up against it, the sheriff said, so one of the officers threw the flash-bang grenade inside the residence.
Once inside the house, the SWAT team realized it was a portable playpen blocking the door, and the flash-bang grenade had landed inside where the 19-month-old was sleeping, the sheriff said.
A medic on the scene rushed the baby outside to administer first aid, and a nearby ambulance was summoned. Authorities wanted to transport the baby via Life Flight to Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital, 75 miles southwest of Cornelia, but weather conditions wouldn't allow it. The baby was driven to the hospital.
Mother: ‘He didn't deserve any of this’
A Grady official said it's hospital policy not to disclose patients’ conditions, but the child's mother, Alecia Phonesavanh, told CNN affiliate WSB that doctors had put her son into an induced coma.
She further told the station the family was sleeping at her sister-in-law’s house when police arrived, and the grenade seared a hole through the portable playpen after exploding on the child's pillow.
“He didn't deserve any of this,” Phonesavanh told WSB. “He's in the burn unit. We go up to see him and his whole face is ripped open. He has a big cut on his chest.”
Thonetheva, 30, was not at the home at the time of the raid, but the toddler's mother and father and their other three children were inside. Thonetheva's mother was also at the house, Terrell said.
The baby's family had moved into the Cornelia residence after their Wisconsin home burned, Terrell told CNN affiliate WXIA, and while the family members were aware of drug activity in the home, “they kept the children out of sight in a different room while any of these going-ons were happening.”
Thonetheva was arrested at another Cornelia residence, along with three other people, shortly after the raid, Terrell said. He is charged with distribution of methamphetamine. Habersham County Chief Assistant District Attorney J. Edward Staples said Thonetheva could also be charged in connection with the baby's injuries.
Thonetheva was already out on bond for an October 2013 charge of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony — the felony being distribution of methamphetamine, Staples said.”
So the facts are a little different than the story circulating and while the use of the flash bang was questionable I'm not sure it documents the case police officers out of control.
Flash bangs have saved more bad guys lives than can be counted because they tend to prevent gunfights when Police enter a house to arrest a bad guy.
BTW, no dog was mentioned as killed.
I am troubled by the increasing frequency of mistaken SWAT raids, but consider this - 30 years ago SWAT teams were mostly ordinary street officers who volunteered for special training to respond to occasional serious or potentially violent events like hostage taking and worked as a team a couple times a year when necessary .
Nowadays, some SWAT Teams in larger metro areas are often working full time 24/7 arresting multiple, violent, heavily armed hyper violent gang or cartel members in semi fortified safe houses in gang controlled neighborhoods that essentially no go zones for conventional patrol officers.
Increasingly, SWAT teams are responsible for liberating and probably saving the lives kidnapped illegal aliens being held hostage and brutalized.
SWAT operations are more and more becoming some officers regular day to day jobs in today's brave new world and the level of violence of the bad guys they deal with justifies their methods.
Overall, SWAT Teams are generally very professional and have very good records in dealing with dangerous situations while protecting the by standing public. I am sure there are cases of SWAT teams making errors or using excessive force, but it is slander to wrongly accuse many of the dedicated, selfless and brave police officers of misconduct.
Hardly.
You're entire argument rests on the same premise as gun control.
Allowing someone the means to injure is not the same as inflicting that injury.
The Cato Institute did not publish a major work on the “epidemic of isolated incidences” because everything was hunky dory with SWAT.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap
The other thing that bothers me is incidents like the story where SWAT invaded the wrong house shot the guy like 30 times and let him bleed out in front of his family for over an hour before calling for the bus. Unacceptable
Police are not bloodthirsty barbarian throwbacks hellbent on world domination.
I'm the son of a now deceased retired Detroit police lieutenant and you can bet I'd have a major case of the ass towards anyone such as you who would intentionally uncover and release personal information relevant to my dad's family members and their addresses........
In the past, there have been several instances where the local MSM acquired the names and addresses of CPL holders in their respective cities and published them.
Do you also support that denial of anonymity?
>>I do believe if massive retribution is visited upon the police and their families we will see police nationwide removing their gloves and frankly I would not blame them for doing so.<<
Have you ever given thought to how this came about? When I was a youngster the local patrolman went to a suspects home and knocked on the door, maybe with another officer if the suspect was known to be violent. There were no SWAT Teams needed to handle any situation.
The cops gearing themselves up as if they were soldiers has given some of them the attitude they are the ruler over all civilians and by God, they will be obeyed OR ELSE! We would go months and never hear of a police shooting. Now we don’t go 12 hours.
When the cops live in the areas they patrol, they behave themselves. There’s no unnecessary roughness during an arrest or during the jail booking. The cop knows his kids will pay the price if he steps out of line.
One of my neighbors works for the sheriffs dept. His mail box says Johnson but that’s not his actual name. I know it but won’t post it. Why take a job if you are afraid to stand up and do it properly? There’s no need for SWAT teams in every dept.
Agreed. But many (not me) argue that to require LEO’s to obey the Constitution when politicians and our courts don’t have to is ridiculous. In fact the tail (courts and politicians) is wagging the dog, so the “cops are scum” rhetoric that FR is well known for is misplaced.
>>So, you’re okay with your family’s information being posted on-line, with nothing other an ill intent to cause harm to them?<<
Your family is listed online too.
www.whitepages.com/
A few years back there was a poster looking for help from Michigan FReepers in finding his father who was a long retired cop.
A week or so later they found his body. He had been murdered by a parolee he hired to do some work at his home.
Good point but context is everything.
White Pages listing almost all of us is not the same as singling out some people on an anarchist agitating website
thanks for adding some rationality and actual facts to this thread.
“I must have missed the trial and verdict”
So did the dead kid.
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