Just keep drinking the Islamic taqiyya.
Posted on 08/08/2014 6:51:44 AM PDT by kristinn
We will just agree to disagree that they are competitors. I am not going to change your mind and you won't change mind.
Your sarcasm is noted. The point being it would still be a hellhole just as it is now. So why spend so much of our blood and treasure just have things the same, just with different players.
The Shi’as believe Qom is the holy city.
And the Twelver Shi’as are even worse.
They believe they can force the Twelfth Mahdi to appear.
Like I said, put up a thread in religion forum, lay out your points one by one on how there is a comparison between Islam and Christianity.
Or don’t you have the guts?
Wow. You are one sick puppy.
Yes they are, and you are vastly wrong. Look to Iraq where ISIS is beheading other muslims because they aren’t “fanatic” enough. Look at the sectarian violence in Sadr city due to one group being “not of us” in said city. Yes, Shias, Sunni, Sufi, and Wahhabi are in competition. Some through their “surrogates”.
We can only go around this tree so many times. We will agree to disagree. And tremendous amounts of violence have been done in the name of religion.
Muslims will kill another muslim from different sects. You just can’t accept it. Muslims are the most violent, intolerant people in the world including toward other sects.
The IRA was a Marxist organization, not Catholic at all, although they tried to sway Catholics and take advantage of their perceived persecution by the Protestants.
ISLAM IS CURENTLY KILLING PEOPLE.
How many times do YOU need to hear that?
It’s very telling that you need to use events hundreds of years old and thoroughly propagandized in order to excuse muslim violence against muslims.
No, no, kabar thinks they’re SO wonderful!
After all, he spent five years..blah blah blah.
Head in the sand to any information opposite his fantasy.
He also lacks the guts to post a thread laying out why he thinks there is a comparison between Christianity and Islam.
He has truly slurped up all the Kool-Aid he could find while ignoring proof to the contrary such as Theoria’s links.
Like I said, put up a thread in religion forum, lay out your points one by one on how there is a comparison between Islam and Christianity. Or don’t you have the guts?
You keep beating this hobby horse. Why? I am an Episcopalian who was even an altar boy. I really have no interest in getting involved in a comparative religion discussion. I took that course in college a long time ago. If you want a good intellectual discussion of religion, start with someone like Joseph Campbell. In any event, I am weary of this conversation, which has gone from the sublime to the inane. Cheers.
Theoria’s links are excellent sources.
Ignoring them is dishonest and suspect.
Sue them instead, John. That’ll work.
The fall of the Shah was due to Jimmy Carter toppling the Shah on the mere “promise” by Khomenei to ‘hold elections.’
And do you also recall the bloodbath afterwards where Khomenei had people killed?
Of course not.
You keep insisting there is a comparison between Christianity and Islam.
If you were honest, you’d see there is none.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3190498/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3190295/posts
ISLAM is WUNNERFUL, right?
No competition there, none whatsoever!
No, Khomeini hijacked the Iranian Revolution. There was almost no US contact with Khomeini during his exile in France. There was no promise by Khomeini to Carter to have democratic elections. Prior to the Shah leaving in January 1979, the Carter Administration was giving the Shah conflicting instructions. Vance was greasing the skids to get the Shah to leave including advising him to restrain Savak from cracking down on the opposition while Brzezinski belatedly wanted to Shah to take such action. It was too little too late.
And do you also recall the bloodbath afterwards where Khomenei had people killed? Of course not.
I was in our Embassy on February 14, 1979 when it was overrun the first time by the Revolutionary Guard. I was in the stairwell leading from the first to the second floor of the Chancery when bullets flew over my head imbedding into wall. We were surrounded by a mob of over 10,000 people firing into our compound and forcing their way into the buildings on the compound. We were taken captive and eventually released by Deputy Prime Minister Yazdi in the courtyard. I spent the next six weeks working in an occupied compound with the Revolutionary Guard pointing weapons at me and occasionally firing over my head.
During the six weeks, I left March 31, 1979, Khomeini was killing off the opposition including members of the previous Bazargan government and the Head of Iran Air. Our failure to support the Shah and prevent Khomeini from taking power lives with us today in the form of militant Islamic fundamentalism with Iran being the biggest state sponsor of terrorism and on the verge of being a nuclear power. It often takes decades to see the full impact of foreign policy failures.
So yes, I remember the bloodbath wreaked by Khomeini and the overnight transformation of Iran from being one of the most secular Islamic countries in the world into an Islamic theocracy. I was there. Where were you?
I think a bold long-term military commitment there would have changed things. There is a growing Christian population, and with slowly increasing economic development, extremism would be less an alternative. ISIS types would be marginalized to extinction. Maybe 10 yrs, or 20.
After W, we should have strengthened our presence in SE Asia, NATO and set up permanent bases in Iraq. The price of freedom and controlling terror is force - a stronger military, not a shrinking one.
At the same time we should have been developing more domestic oil production to lessen dependence there.
By the way, all those things, McCain or Romney would have done. But no, instead we have ISIS threatening Baghdad and taunting Washington, Russia taking Ukraine, and China expanding in the Pacific. Thanks to BO in the WH.
I do agree, that the day we invaded Iraq. Bush should have stated in the clearest of terms, that we would be in Iraq for the next 50 years.
Because any other way, well, it gets what you see today.
Revolutions are ALWAYS hijacked. The Bolsheviks hijacked the Russian Revolution as well, they had very little support when the Czar abdicated. But they were the most ruthless.
That's why supporting overthrows of leaders is always a dicey proposition.
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