[RIghtwardHo]

Well, poll numbers are pretty accurate and been confirmed by numbers. WE claim based on some good solid facts that the GOP is out of touch with ordinary Americans. Demographics are against us. More people vote Dim than GOP. Social issues are moving decidedly Left.

This is only a “barf” because I/we don’t like it. But the facts are the facts. Putting our head in the sand just results in that day when we pull our heads out of the sand and wonder where everyone went. Again, even we tend to agree with this conclusion. We ignore facts at our peril.

[Rennes Templar]

So you’re saying BO’s low poll numbers, and in particular his very unpopular management of the immigration crisis, will not translate to the November election at all?

[pieceofthepuzzle]

” Putting our head in the sand just results in that day when we pull our heads out of the sand and wonder where everyone went. Again, even we tend to agree with this conclusion. We ignore facts at our peril.”

Agree, but there are multiple relevant questions here. One was brought up by the person who posted that there is a disconnect between the number of people who identify themselves as Republican and those who identify themselves as conservative. One reason for that, IMHO, is that the Democrats have been very successful in mischaracterizing the Republican party. There is a reason why Nancy Pelosi told the media recently that they needed to help the Democrats ‘get the message out’.

Propaganda works, and marketing has becoming a huge determinant in politics. Advertising is a multi-billion dollar business because it truly does influence the consumer. The Republicans are not the ‘cool’ party, and the Democrats have successfully branded them as ‘retro’, anti-science, angry white guys. Not true, but this is what the brand name recognition is for a lot of people - and like it or not, they vote.

[Jack Black]

Well, poll numbers are pretty accurate and been confirmed by numbers. WE claim based on some good solid facts that the GOP is out of touch with ordinary Americans. Demographics are against us. More people vote Dim than GOP. Social issues are moving decidedly Left.

Elections are the proof, polls are just indicators. So, lets look at election results.

The GOP controls:

• The US House of Representatives: 234 GOP to 199 Donk.
• The majority of State governors, 29 GOP Governors vs the Donks 21.
• The majority of state legislatures. Where you define "control" as having leadership of both the state House and state Senate. GOP has 27 states with total control. The Donks 17. Six states have split legislatures.

So, based on election results in federal and statewide elections I don't think the claim "more people vote Dim than GOP" can be sustained. ?

State Governors by Party.

Here's a link with all the details on State Legislatures control, where the GOP has far outpaced the Donks.

[Lazamataz]

Well, poll numbers are pretty accurate and been confirmed by numbers. WE claim based on some good solid facts that the GOP is out of touch with ordinary Americans. Demographics are against us. More people vote Dim than GOP. Social issues are moving decidedly Left.

Well then, obviously, we must adopt a Liberal Democrat platform.....right?

Look, you've been a concern-troll-style naysayer and parade-rainer since I noticed you on the forum.

I offer a much more likely take on this: Republicans HAVE adopted a much more leftward posture, and the reason Republican support is down, is that people who are liberal won't favor Republicans ANYWAYS, and people who are conservative won't favor Republicans with the new liberal veneer.