Posted on 08/01/2014 4:22:01 PM PDT by free_life
“If the Tartars are indeed predominantly Muslim, why is this being pushed on FR, a Christian website?”
Pushed? What push? It’s a posted thread.
Also, Christian or not, FR is a place for information and the Tatars are being screwed.
Tartar - mongolian tribes from central asia who migrated west with the Golden Hordes of Geghis Khan
Most are Sunni Muslim
One fact - Lipka Tartars of Poland/Lithuania, Charles Bronson was a descendent of them
The only good muslim is a dead one!!
Let's defend Ukraine as it existed before Communism, Ok?
Some for Poland, some for Hungary, some for Russia, some for Romania, whoever was there before some Communist expanded the borders of Ukraine.
Soak up the Kool-Aid bub, you're obviously addicted and if this is your "coating" mode it's best for everyone you don't go into fits of withdrawal
My post stands.
Address what I said, and don't post your dumbass nonsense to me.
It's what my momma used to make us for dinner. Sometimes she'd mash 'em, sometimes she'd fry 'em.
I think the Ruskies make vodka out of 'em too.
You're clearly on the intellectual level the media targets and most successfully manipulates
Ukraine was a geographic region several nations controlled parts of until Germany and the Hapsburgs found it convenient to foster and feed the idea of a new nation among a group of intellectuals (wealthy Russian intellectuals from families who had lived around Kiev for generaions) just prior to WWI.
I like seeing you and others who are 100% behind defending the creation of the Soviet Union under Communism pretending to be ardent anti-Russians.
That makes it clear to everyone just how easily some people can be manipulaed into totally illogical, contradictory, stances when the media hits their hot buttons.
Screw the Poles, the Hungarians, Americans who will pay the price, everyone in fact, except the people who kiss Barry's butt at the moment. That's the argument from the pro-Kiev Coup crowd.
Keep on pushing that big ball of yours, Mr. Dung Beetle, but it's your brain than needs exercised more than your dung pushing muscles.
LOL. I've been on this board over 15 years trashing the media. The four points that I posted are common knowledge. Even Putin admits to them. You can't address the issue so you change the subject and post ad hominens.
Keep on pushing that big ball of yours, Mr. Dung Beetle, but it's your brain than needs exercised more than your dung pushing muscles. Keep on pushing that big ball of yours, Mr. Dung Beetle, but it's your brain than needs exercised more than your dung pushing muscles.
Seriously, how does your initiation of mindless ad hominens not make you a dumbass?
Goodness, for all fifteen years you've been ranting about the media you've expected to be free from anyone responding to you in kind or is that a recent decree from you?
It seems to me that less ranting and more actual reasonable explanations would make more progress in your crusade against the media, especially when you're siding with them and swallowing everything they say.
But then, I don't expect to taunt and demean others and not receive the same in return like those who prefer assertion to information do.
No not at all. In fact I believe in it. Now go back and read the last part of your post #24.
But then, I don't expect to taunt and demean others and not receive the same in return...
Well let the record show that you initiated exactly that and then you complained when I responded in kind.
Come on, the whole Ukraine business is all about pushing the hot buttons that will get Conservatives to swallow the lies along with 10% truth.
That's about what I think everything you listed and everything coming out now. Lies mixed with 10% truth.
I've felt that way about all reporting about anything in Eastern Europe by the media since a good friend of mine served his last two years in the service in part in Kosovo. I'll take his word for the fact that 90% of what was spewed by the media was a complete lie, the exact opposite of what he saw himself.
Feel free to defend the administrations party line on Ukraine and whatever else you want to swallow, but don't tell me the media has been telling the truth about this or any of the other things you mentioned. That flies in the face of common sense.
Now, go ahead and yell "Dumbass" or "Putinista" or whatever else you like but please, go read some friggin' history about the region called Ukraine as opposed to the mess Communists created, called Ukraine, and when the Soviet Union fell apart left people with the choice of a new country or Russia without so much as a nod to the countries that had controlled parts of the Ukraine Region for hundreds of years before idea of a nation named Ukraine ever existed.
As it stands, a lot of people who I once thought had good common sense have been making fools of themselves defending a "nation" that in reality has never existed prior to an "either/or" choice given them in the 1990s along with a lot of promises no one in Kiev has ever lifted a finger to try and keep.
Fighting to help make Ukraine the low cost labor provider for Europe now that jihad in Europe is obviously brewing doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Talk about the energy in Ukraine all you like, but control of it will be put on the auction block and when that happens Iz Lame will own, control it, and have all sorts of good reasons to leave it in the ground. What a wonderful solution, providing Iz Lame with still more energy reserves so that nasty man Putin and the evil Russians won't profit from Russian energy sales. Brilliant, more self-defeating garbage.
If the country turns into three or four nations with people of common national heritage in each it wouldn't bother me a bit unless there's massive bloodshed to accomplish that. Given the history of the people in the area, though, massive bloodshed by Communists, Nationalists, Nazis, and any other group that can get the upper hand for a while is pretty much the only tradition they have in common among the half dozen different ethnic groups.
Pushing? Pushing what? It is information on some of what is going on in a active war zone. To the Russians it doesn’t matter Christian, Muslim or whatever. One aspect of this is how it tears down the Ruskie bs about Crimea being Russian land, and the bs how the Russians are loved by the people in Crimea. Russians are hated by everyone everywhere they go, all they bring is genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Actually, the Crimean Tatars are largely descended from the various peoples who lived in the area before the Mongols-mainly various Turkic tribes like Kipchaks and Petchenegs, but also Greeks and Goths.
No. The Crimean Tatars are a different ethnic group largely descended from the various peoples who lived in the area. Mainly various Turkic peoples like the Kipchaks, but also Greeks, Goths and yes Mongols.
Sure..
Well then you deserve the disrespect of being called what you are a dumbass...and now a hypocrite.
you regurgitate a line of crap from the media that includes, "Chechen Muslims killing Christians in Ukraine" and the only Chechen I've seen interviewed had the Cross of St. George Crowned on their sleeves, not the Crescent of Iz Lame and you're not drinking the Kool Aid?
Wow. You think there are no Muslim Chechens in Ukraine because none have been interviewed? Never mind the numerous independent reports of Vostok Battalion markings on tanks, flags on buildings. Nevermind that they did the same in Georgia which was well documented with photos and numerous independent reports on this website long before you showed up here on this website and long before Obama was president.
Now, go ahead and yell "Dumbass" or "Putinista" or whatever else you like but please, go read some friggin' history about the region called Ukraine as opposed to the mess Communists created, called Ukraine, and when the Soviet Union fell apart left people with the choice of a new country or Russia without so much as a nod to the countries that had controlled parts of the Ukraine Region for hundreds of years before idea of a nation named Ukraine ever existed.
You are ignorant of the fact that the people of Ukraine, about 80% of them, self identify themselves as ethnic Ukrainians who want to be part of Ukraine.
I've felt that way about all reporting about anything in Eastern Europe by the media since a good friend of mine served his last two years in the service in part in Kosovo. I'll take his word for the fact that 90% of what was spewed by the media was a complete lie, the exact opposite of what he saw himself.
Kosovo was about Clinton's propaganda. Syria, Libya and Egypt are about Obama's propaganda. Georgia and Ukraine are NOT about their propaganda. You are regurgitating Putin's line of crap.
Feel free to defend the administrations party line on Ukraine and whatever else you want to swallow, but don't tell me the media has been telling the truth about this or any of the other things you mentioned. That flies in the face of common sense.
Utter nonsense. What has been going on Ukraine has been happening long before Obama came to power in 2008 as many of us having been following here on Free Republic, thread after Ukraine and Georgia thread for the past 10 or 15 years. You are buying the Putin line of crap that Ukraine is about Nazis and Obama. It is NOT.
Now, go ahead and yell "Dumbass" or "Putinista" or whatever else you like...
You deserve the disrespect hypocrite, don't blame me, and quit whining about it.
If the country turns into three or four nations with people of common national heritage in each it wouldn't bother me a bit unless there's massive bloodshed to accomplish that. Given the history of the people in the area, though, massive bloodshed by Communists, Nationalists, Nazis, and any other group that can get the upper hand for a while is pretty much the only tradition they have in common among the half dozen different ethnic groups.
The people of Ukraine, about 80% of them self identify themselves as ethnic Ukrainians who want to be part of Ukraine. They don't want to be starved by the millions by tyrants, they don't want to be slaughtered by Nazis, they don't want to be controlled by communists and they don't want to be part of Putin's present day tyrannical Russia.
That's their choice and Russia and Putin and ignoramuses such as yourself need to leave them alone.
Why does Russia want Crimea so bad? Strategically located? I see it is a sea port, but there are other sea ports in Russia aren’t they?
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