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Joseph Stalin used similar rhetoric and justifications when he invaded Poland in September 1939, only days after Adolf Hitler’s Nazi army invaded Poland from the other direction. Stalin and Hitler had signed a secret pact of non-aggression and proposed to carve up Europe between them, but Stalin said his goal was to protect ethnic Russians in his near abroad.

“The Soviet Government cannot regard with indifference the fact that the kindred Ukrainian and White Russian people, who live on Polish territory and who are at the mercy of fate, are now left defenseless,” read the note from the Soviet Foreign Ministry to the Polish Ambassador to Moscow on the day Stalin invaded.

“Putin may actually light a fire that he loses control over,” he said. “There’s a rising tide of nationalism in Europe right now that has been created in many ways by these Russian activities.”

"....new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful, multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine, and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions,” ....

...... Longer article worth reading at link.

1 posted on 07/26/2014 2:00:50 PM PDT by free_life
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Whoopsie. Now they’ll have to compare our response.


2 posted on 07/26/2014 2:02:12 PM PDT by stanne
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Putin comes from the same cloth: VOLGA TATAR descent.
From Google: Born despots of the various Tatar khanates of the early modern period. They are the remnants after the breakup of the Golden Horde, and its successor, the Great Horde.
3 posted on 07/26/2014 2:06:48 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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Lets all jump on board with The daily beast and the Obama flunkie Dempsey.

http://thelibertybeat.com/anti-propaganda-law-repealed-state-department-free-to-broadcast-directly-to-americans/


5 posted on 07/26/2014 2:10:26 PM PDT by dforest
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Stalin invaded Poland almost three weeks after the Germans did. He wanted to make sure most of the heavy lifting had been done. If anything this situation more resembles the Russo/Finnish War of 1939/40.


6 posted on 07/26/2014 2:10:28 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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A major difference between Poland and The Ukraine mess is that the West has known since the nineteen fifties that any move by the West that would result in Russia losing political control over Crimea would have to overcome all of the Military power Russia could muster, and that this would not be in any way negotiable.

There was no surprise here.

Men who fought the cold war (myself included) pointed out during the EU/Ukrainian trade pact negotiations that Russia was going to counter that militarily. It didn’t take a rocket scientist or a prophet to see this coming. It also does not take one to understand that the Russians will not back down and that diplomacy in this case is mere embarrassing public masturbation.

The EU only has two choices. Give it up, or war. Even if they try to pull the US into this, diplomacy will not even slow the military response down.


7 posted on 07/26/2014 2:14:29 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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What? Russia has tens of thousands of refugees who were bombed out of their homes by "their" government in Kiev. I'd think that Putin has a right, perhaps an obligation, to make their homeland safe for their return.

Just like the US would have the right (if we chose to do so) to make northern Mexico safe so the invaders into the US could return there. (Instead, Obama wants to get involved in eastern Ukraine.) Anyone who had the guts could make eastern Syria safe for Syrian refugees to return. The Iraqi Kurds are helping outside their borders, aren't they? etc

Isn't Israel going into Palestine pretty much the same situation?

Really, the DC crowd and the military analysts should SHUT UP about anything except how to secure OUR southern border.

9 posted on 07/26/2014 2:17:10 PM PDT by grania
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...government that has made a conscious decision to use its military force inside another sovereign nation to achieve its objectives. It’s the first time since 1939 or so that that’s been the case,” Dempsey said.

Actually, I think we've done this a few times, too.

14 posted on 07/26/2014 2:39:12 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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This officer didn’t study history too well. I would liken it more to Hitler entering Austria, where he already had a large population of sympathizers.


21 posted on 07/26/2014 2:58:26 PM PDT by Nachoman (libertyarmstx.com is now open!)
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Really?

What does he compare the pathetic occupant of the Oval Office to—Neville Chamberlain’s acquiescence to fascism, or Marshal Philippe Pétain who headed up Vichy France for the enemy?


22 posted on 07/26/2014 3:05:02 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Well, when Russia invaded Poland in 1939 neither France nor England declared war on Russia so I guess we’re off the hook...


25 posted on 07/26/2014 3:11:34 PM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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NATO has been ripping apart countries left and right for the last 20 years. There’s no surprise Putin is wary and taking precautions.


27 posted on 07/26/2014 3:33:43 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey said Thursday that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s new use of Russian military force inside Ukraine harkens back to 1939 when Joseph Stalin led a Russian invasion of Poland,

Yep, and any day now teams of forensics experts will be uncovering mass graves of thousands of murdered Ukrainian military officers, police officers, and intellectuals, harking back to the Soviet's massacres at the Katyn Forest. RT and sundry putinistas will blame it on fascists from Kiev.


33 posted on 07/26/2014 3:55:44 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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