Posted on 07/25/2014 6:33:20 PM PDT by tcrlaf
My gosh, you really don’t care about the subject or context.
Are you so angry and bitter that you are just going to keep posting unrelated nonsense?
Do you care or realize that 1953 and when the 155 howitzer was introduced, has not come up here or have any relevance to anything?
So they stole the plans for our B-29 and that was their first intercontinental bomber.
Maybe you should realize that when you are in a hole you should quit digging.
ansel It was the Field artillery aspect that impressed me about the clearance, to me 155 was so different than fancy missiles and such. Pershings we get, but learning there were nukes for 155 freaks out people.
I was responding to your words ansel.
But Like I said, you bounce around a lot..Just trying to keep up with you.
Gosh, you are a liar.
When did 1953 come up? Or when the 155 was introduced?
Actually, they didn’t steal the plans for the B-29. I read about this story. A B-29 was flying over their territory on a mission and had to make an emergency landing. The crew was treated well and released. They kept the bomber (despite our requests to give it back) and reverse-engineered it. That’s why the first Soviet nuclear-capable bomber is a carbon-coy of the B-29.
Gunfire exchanged over the border? Really? I think the Germans (certainly on the West side) would’ve frowned on that most assiduously.
coy = copy
I’m tired...going to bed.
I responded with some accurate information for you about the use of artillery and a nuclear payload.
I thought that you being a artillery expert might certainly know that and would chastise me for telling you something you already knew.
But you did not do that. What you did was accuse me of drifting off topic like the grammar and spelling police. you have also accused me of writing melodrama.
I'm just trying to figure you out.
They were not Germans...on the east side..
Most of them belonged to a armored Tank battalion in the sector I was in.
No, that is all in your head.
Hoagy I don’t have it at my fingertips...Given time I can go back into some documentaries on WWII and in it will be the agents names and other involved people. they had a extensive spy ring.
I just remember the generalities of it. the specifics I can find, if you are interested.
BTW, The plans were taken from a Boeing plant.
No ansel, apparently I am in your head.
Russian needed the plans.
trying to recall all of this from my memory, but they had to burn one of their best spy's who happened to work at the Boeing plant in Kansas, I believe.
He got into the filing cabinets, and took them. it was a huge pile of blueprints that he managed to get out of the plant and into his car. They made their way to the fatherland with the agent.
This did not solve all of Russia's issues build the plane, but most of them. The remaining issues were related to the machinery needed to make the parts.
http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/shortstories/russianclone.htm
OK...I have it for you.
It was in 1945.
The agent in charge or handler was Mikail Gorshkov.
He recruited a Italian who’s brother worked for Boeing at a B-29 assembly line in Brazil.
The brother took the plans and gave them to the agent who brought them to Gorshkov. The newly built TU4 became a reality shortly thereafter just before the Russian bomb was tested (which was also a copy of ours.)
Gorshkov was still alive and interviewed for this documentary, made in the 1990s.
I have it on VCR tapes but you can still find the documentary and I believe HULU has it. It is called “The secrets of War”. it is narrated by Charlton Heston and has this information and a great deal more as it was compiled shortly after the wall came down and the Russian files were opened up to a great degree regarding WWII.
I think you might find it interesting.
There are some 64 hours of tape, and this info comes from episode 33. “titled....”The hunt for atomic Secrets”
“The reality is that the cold war never ended. It is really still in play, just cooler. It is now warming back up. Might as well get used to it. Otherwise you might go crazy...”
This is pure theater; how do we have a communist president now while they have a capitalist?
Under Kruschev we fought the proxy wars in Korea and Vietnam (at least the beginning); with Putin we’ve had no such wars.
That’s what you do in a Cold war.
And yes, it is interesting about the commie/capitalist.
They discovered through years of trial and error that they can’t run a business and grow it in a competitive environment. It just does not work, for obvious reasons.
So that is why the Red Chinese have imposed their version of capitalism. But don’t invest there. they still hate westerners and will steal you money while the government looks on and does nothing.
You’re making my point about how different it is, not the same. We executed Saddam Hussein. Even the fake Cold War with Red China is carried on in our media while we buy so much from them - we MADE them, and continue to build them up buying their cheap lead-painted trinkets.
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