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Is Putin Worse Than Stalin?
Townhall.com ^ | July 25, 2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 07/25/2014 11:10:00 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

No. His body count isn’t that high—yet.


41 posted on 07/25/2014 1:05:49 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (You cannot protect a child from child abuse by aborting it. Abortion *is* child abuse.)
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To: Kaslin

It seems that Pat believes that FDR’s friendliness and appeasement toward Stalin set the standard by which US-Russia relations should be measured today.


42 posted on 07/25/2014 1:08:21 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: vaudine
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43 posted on 07/25/2014 1:20:05 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hey sparky, VK is Russian Facebook.


44 posted on 07/25/2014 1:28:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DTA

Lol. .. hashtag fact


45 posted on 07/25/2014 1:29:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: dmz

> Your dislike of Obama has hopefully only temporarily caused you to lose your perspective.

And what makes you think he’s going to leave? There are reports from credible sources that martial law signs are being shipped and stored at different locations that aren’t Snopes rumors which have been debunked. These reports are from credible people directly out of their mouths not posted Internet hoax rumors. I realize that could be done initially as a propaganda measure due to the Wizard of Oz administration we have in place to cause fear but it’s still best to pay attention. They’re both tyrants just different ruling styles.


46 posted on 07/25/2014 1:29:58 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mr_Peter

> We are being primed for war. Zero’s legacy will be WWW3.

And many politicians’ coffers will be overflowing due to their influence on getting military contracts approved...


47 posted on 07/25/2014 1:33:23 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: DesertRhino

Girkin bragged that they shot the plane down before he knew it was a civilian airliner, then after he found out he removed the post. He’s cold busted. You can try to deny it but the whole world knows what the Russky savages did.


48 posted on 07/25/2014 1:34:17 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Kaslin

Lol

Writer yo be trippin!


49 posted on 07/25/2014 1:35:05 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take backour way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: jsanders2001

Obama has done more damage to the USA than Putin.


50 posted on 07/25/2014 1:37:33 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: McGruff

As for the downing of the Malaysian airliner, Putin did not order that. Sen. John Cornyn says U.S. intelligence has not yet provided any “smoking gun” that ties the missile-firing to Russia.
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Whoa. That’s not going to go over well here.
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Before we get too upset about Putin’s supplying missiles to the rebels who pressed their buttons, we need to find out how ISIS is getting its weapons in Iraq and Syria. There have been reports about American weapons ending up in terrorist hands.


51 posted on 07/25/2014 1:40:42 PM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: Vaquero

~My concern is that zer0 is up there with Stalin hitler and Mao. We are in a world of hurt. We are being invaded in the south and our dear leader is out there fund raising.~

In defense of Stalin, when the Japanese started this crap on his south border in 1930s he hurt them so badly that they rejected any plea from Hitler to help him out in Russia later.


52 posted on 07/25/2014 5:34:40 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

So you guys still defend Stalin, that is why most of us here think you haven’t changed, and never will.


53 posted on 07/25/2014 7:48:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

You seems to be the most anal person I ever met, Ansel. I have never defended Stalin, I just find comparison between Stalin and Obama on border issues ridiculous. Isn’t it?


54 posted on 07/25/2014 9:16:46 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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""In defense of Stalin"" to...""I have never defended Stalin"".... in two posts.

I'm surprised your people still defend him, would you say that most of the people in your section of Russia have fond memories of him or despise him?

55 posted on 07/25/2014 9:21:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Scholastics much, Ansel?

I think there is a group of some 70 yo admirers, these same idiots gathering around Lenin statues. Some liberal teenage jerks emerged among these idiots, same type which wears Che Guevara shirts in the West. The rest (majority) population takes Stalin for what he is. Gulag Archipelago by Soljenitsyn is part of a school program since mid 1980s in Russia.


56 posted on 07/25/2014 10:24:30 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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I was just judging from your post interjecting a defense of Stalin, and polling of your nation.

“The Carnegie report, released Friday, was based on the first-ever comparative opinion polls in Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. It found that support for Stalin in Russia has actually increased since the Soviet collapse.

The report concluded that attitudes toward Stalin have improved during President Vladimir Putin’s 13-year rule, as the Kremlin has found Stalin’s image useful in its efforts to tighten control.”

“Lev Gudkov, a sociologist at the Levada Center, which conducted the survey, noted that in 1989, the peak of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s efforts to liberalize the country and expose Stalinist crimes, only 12 percent of Russians polled described Stalin as one of the most prominent historical figures.

In the Carnegie poll last year, 42 percent of Russian respondents named Stalin as the most influential historical figure.

“Vladimir Putin’s Russia of 2012 needs symbols of authority and national strength, however controversial they may be, to validate the newly authoritarian political order,” Gudkov wrote in the Carnegie report. “Stalin, a despotic leader responsible for mass bloodshed but also still identified with wartime victory and national unity, fits this need for symbols that reinforce the current political ideology.”

Putin has avoided open public praise or criticism of Stalin, but he has restored Soviet-era symbols and focused on the nation’s Soviet-era achievements rather than Stalinist crimes. Kremlin critics have seen attempts to whitewash Stalin’s image as part of Putin’s rollback on democracy.

Many in Russia have been dismayed by government-sponsored school textbooks that paint Stalin in a largely positive light and by a reconstruction of Kurskaya metro station that restored old Soviet national anthem lyrics praising Stalin.”


57 posted on 07/25/2014 10:30:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

~I was just judging from your post interjecting a defense of Stalin, and polling of your nation.~
Well
Do you realize that the term ‘defense’ has different meaning. All I have told is Stalin had better border control than Obama. Am I factually wrong or what?

~“Lev Gudkov, a sociologist at the Levada Center, which conducted the survey, noted that in 1989, the peak of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s efforts to liberalize the country and expose Stalinist crimes, only 12 percent of Russians polled described Stalin as one of the most prominent historical figures.

In the Carnegie poll last year, 42 percent of Russian respondents named Stalin as the most influential historical figure~

It us all taken out of context. Do you realize a difference between being ‘an influential figure’ and ‘nice person’? I An author of your cite obviously aren’t. On the other hand he simply has an agenda.

Stalin was influential figure for sure. It wasn’t all that good influence but it is another question.


58 posted on 07/25/2014 11:52:59 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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(Reuters) - Soviet dictator Josef Stalin was voted Russia’s third most popular historical figure in a nationwide poll that ended on Sunday, despite the famine and purges that marked his rule.

The “Name of Russia” contest run by Rossiya state television channel over more than six months closed on Sunday night with a final vote via the Internet and mobile phones. It drew more than 50 million votes in a nation of 143 million.

Millions of Soviet citizens perished from famine during forced collectivization, were executed as “enemies of the people” or died in Gulag hard labor camps during Stalin’s rule which lasted for almost 30 years until his death in 1953.

“We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put Josef Vissarionovich Stalin in third place,” prominent actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest’s judges, said after the results of the vote flashed on a screen.


59 posted on 07/27/2014 2:55:06 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Is popular = nice to you?


60 posted on 07/27/2014 3:07:11 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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