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1 posted on 07/23/2014 12:34:21 PM PDT by PoloSec
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Obamacare Rulings Have Consumers, Governors Worried

But the rulings may remove millions from the hated mandate (by causing premiums to exceed 8% of their income thus exempting them), weakening Osamacare, possibly fatally, and without question reducing the damage done. How could that "worry" anyone but a statist asshole?

I'd think this ruling would actually cause states to DISSOLVE state exchanges in states that created them to take advantage of this. Remember, many states passed legislation exempting their citizens from penalties from failing to enroll in Osamacare. Were those laws just posturing, or do the states really want to protect their ceitizens' interests?

2 posted on 07/23/2014 12:42:07 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Aw. So these government spending junkies are worried that they won’t be able to hit up the taxpayer to get subsidies for their insurance. What a shame. Its time for the whole freakin country to stop thinking that it should be able to live off someone else’s money. “The rich” are not obligated to pay for the whole country’s health insurance. If the poor and middle class can’t afford the plan unless they get a subsidy from the taxpayer, then the system is f’ed up and needs to go back to a market system.


3 posted on 07/23/2014 12:46:17 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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"You don’t need a fancy legal degree to understand that Congress intended for every eligible American to have access to tax credits that would lower their healthcare costs, regardless of whether it was state officials or federal officials who were running the marketplace."

On the other hand, you smarmy POS, you don't have to have gone much past third grade to read the word "state." And the Affordable Care Act specifically says that only exchanges run by states are allowed to offer subsidies to its citizens.

Obama and his minions are in the impossible position of claiming that a law didn't mean exactly what it says. It's the "You knew what we meant" argument, which must be the one Obama learned as a Constitutional professor.

I am not a lawyer, but I've studied a great deal of contract law and have been a plaintiff in two major lawsuits. One of the first things you learn in contract law is that a contract means what the parties say that it means, not what one of them intended it to mean. That is, if there is no ambiguity in the language, "the court will not look beyond the four corners of the contract."

4 posted on 07/23/2014 12:46:38 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (When using "he" or "him" to refer to Barack Obama, is it still okay to use the lower case "h"?)
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"You don’t need a fancy legal degree to understand that Congress intended for every eligible American to have access to tax credits that would lower their healthcare costs, regardless of whether it was state officials or federal officials who were running the marketplace."

They had to pass it to find out what's in it. How do you argue "intent" when they didn't even know what it was they were voting on?

5 posted on 07/23/2014 12:51:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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Whom in their insane mind(s) would write a (bill to be) law that requires a taxpayer subsidy to be affordable? Answer ... an insane congress of democRATS


6 posted on 07/23/2014 12:52:47 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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"You don’t need a fancy legal degree to understand that Congress intended for every eligible American to have access to tax credits that would lower their healthcare costs, regardless of whether it was state officials or federal officials who were running the marketplace."

That, in a nutshell, is why we are so screwed as a country. The Dems passed "healthcare reform." It doesn't matter what the bill actually said. Libs and the "I want a handout" crowd know that the intent was to provide low cost healthcare paid for by the taxpayer to everyone. So this nonsense about "states" vs. "federal" exchanges is irrelevant. Just gimme some money so I can pay for my plan.

8 posted on 07/23/2014 1:05:29 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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Thanks to the “Nuclear option” the DC circuit court is now packed with Obama stooges. That the full court will manufacture whatever “The One” wants is a foregone conclusion. That court, by the way , is one of the few places a business can fight back against arbitrary regulations. Kiss that remaining bit of liberty away as well.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 1:31:25 PM PDT by Nateman ( wheIf liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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Obamacare Rulings Have Consumers, Governors Worried ...

... and We The People elated.

13 posted on 07/23/2014 2:12:44 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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Hmm. It smells like the Obama Admin is a bit desperate.

Let’s try an unapproved variation of that reasoning:

You don’t need a fancy legal degree to understand that Congress intended that the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Of course, that interpretation had been in disfavor for about 40 years or so, until the USSC re-endorsed the standard interpretation...

Anyway, what these guys seem to be signaling to me is that they are willing to defy the USSC should the USSC not rule in their favor.

Interesting times...


14 posted on 07/23/2014 4:27:40 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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