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Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal
CNBC.com ^ | July 22, 2014 | Dan Mangan

Posted on 07/22/2014 7:30:07 AM PDT by gwjack

This is a breaking news story. Please check back for updates. In a potentially crippling blow to Obamacare, a top federal appeals court Tuesday said that billions of dollars worth of government subsidies that helped 4.7 million people buy insurance on HealthCare.gov are not legal under the Affordable Care Act.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: halbig; obamacare; subsidies
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To: gwjack

No worries. Roberts will rewrite the law so that it can still torture the subjects. That is how he rolls. If the legislature does it wrong, he becomes the legislature. The four Liberal clowns have no compunction to lie and steal as they are Liberal. They will go along with anything that reduces the citizenry to slaves of the Central Planners.


101 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:13 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
In fact it may be illegal.

Since when does this administration care about little things like that?......................

102 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: kevkrom

Agree. The intent of the wording was to encourage states to set up their own exchanges rather than having the federal government bear the responsibility for funding and implementation. The wording was intentional. Obama didn’t expect so many states to opt out of setting up the exchange.


103 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: BuckeyeTexan
It's called an en banc (French for "on the bench") hearing and it happens regularly.

Not really.

So far, only the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, with 29 judges, utilizes that procedure, and its en banc court consists of 11 judges. Theoretically, the Ninth Circuit can hear the case with all judges participating. In practice, however, such a hearing has only been requested five times; the requests have all been denied.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, with 17 judges, is eligible to adopt a similar procedure and has done so in 1986. State of La. ex rel. Guste v. M/V TESTBANK, 752 F.2d 1019 (5th Cir. 1985) (en banc)

104 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:40 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Night Hides Not

Just keep in mind that this was a 3-judge panel ruling. The next step will be en banc, before the entire circuit.

Which was just stacked with Obama appointees thanks to Harry Reid exercising the nuclear option. The Dems knew this was coming, and prepped for it. I’d expect a reversal en banc.


105 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:47 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

It will be appealed to the SCOTUS, either way.


106 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:56 AM PDT by expat2
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To: xzins
"Is this the same suit in which subsidies were given to people in states that didn’t set up exchanges...something like that?"

I do not know but that is the subject they seemed to have been dealing with....
107 posted on 07/22/2014 8:12:03 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Yes it is, but Obama can't make it happen.

Wasn't the IRS one of the defendants in the lawsuit? Seems to me Obama can make the IRS's request for an en banc hearing happen.

108 posted on 07/22/2014 8:12:27 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

“hat is not part of the legal process. In fact it may be illegal.”

It is part of the normal legal process.

It’s call an “en banc” re-hearing.

I’m not even really American and know this stuff. What do they teach in schools?


109 posted on 07/22/2014 8:12:35 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Don’t worry - the Republicans will setup a special session and re-write this portion of the Act to allow for the subsidy.

Think I’m kidding?


110 posted on 07/22/2014 8:13:05 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: bert

“Unmentioned is that if you received subsidies and they were not legal, you must pay them back”

HA. Wonderful.


111 posted on 07/22/2014 8:13:50 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: gwjack
"June/July 2014 may well be a series of events hat confirms the irrelevancy of Zero’s presidency."

Just don't expect the lamestream press to ever admit that the first black president was a failure....
112 posted on 07/22/2014 8:13:50 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: dfwgator

http://30daysout.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/motown-50th-anniversary-the-1970s-supremes/


113 posted on 07/22/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: boilerfan

Substandard to, say, a bronze plan that doesn’t cover cr##? Agghh - it just gets worse...

What confuses me is: Is there a part of the ACA that clearly states “where there are no subsidies there are no taxes that can be collected for not having compliant insurance.”?


114 posted on 07/22/2014 8:13:55 AM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: SCalGal

Thanks, SCalGal. Another reason to be happy I never signed up.


115 posted on 07/22/2014 8:14:04 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

There’s an election in the very near future.....anf some of these judges are vulnerable.......could affect the outcome....hopefully in our favor!


116 posted on 07/22/2014 8:14:15 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: taildragger

Love your word picture!!!!!!......encouraging!


117 posted on 07/22/2014 8:15:45 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Yeah. The case is Halbig v. Sebelius. The IRS is a party to the lawsuit and can request the en banc hearing. The Obama administration can ask for the en banc hearing and can appeal to the Supreme Court.


118 posted on 07/22/2014 8:15:57 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Guenevere

These judges are appointed for life. Which is why Reid used the nuclear option to stack this court with Obama appointees.


119 posted on 07/22/2014 8:16:20 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: expat2
"It will be appealed to the SCOTUS, either way."

which is why the full court may refuse to hear it. It doesn't matter what they say, it's going to the Supremes so why bother even rulling on it.
120 posted on 07/22/2014 8:16:33 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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