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To: jmacusa

I’m not trying to prove Putin is a good guy. He’s not. That doesn’t prove he willfully ordered a hit on a civilian plane as you allege.


42 posted on 07/19/2014 2:35:36 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but take a good hard look at who and what Putin is. And then look over the long and bloody history of Russia and of those who would be czar or party chairman .When any Russian wants to be that power the ends do justify the means. What’s a few hundred dead or thousands or for that matter millions? Human life isn’t cheap in Russia, it’s worthless. Sometime ago Putin lamented the end of communism and spoke of wanting to be that kind of country again and that means taking back the Ukraine.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 3:02:39 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: over3Owithabrain

The evidence sure points to Putin and Russian command of this downing of the passenger jet.

Others have already given very plausible reasons for Putin ordering this or at least being ruthless enough to let these thugs do it. I will give some more possibiliites.

It was a set up to blame on the Ukrainians that went bad. Typical Russian operation. Remember the quickly announced Russian claims the Ukrainians tried to down Putin’s plane and hit passenger jet instead. That didn’t fly because of the pics and reports of the rebels having a BUK unit, and the recorded claims of the rebels that they shot down this plane. The rebels bragged about it when they thought it was a Ukraine transport plane and then quickly deleted those claims when they found out it was a passenger jet. Ukraine intel released recorded audio of rebels reporting shoot down to GRU superior right after jet was brought down.

Another scenario, Putin is about to mount a larger invasion and wants all aircraft out of area of invasion. Put nothing past Putin he is as evil as the devil himself.

Right now the evidence points to a BUK coming across Russian border to area controlled by rebels and being manned by Russian military. Three Ukraine transport planes have been shot down in this area in the four days prior to MH-17 being shot down in same area. The reports are this BUK unit with it’s Russian military personnel are back across the border, why if the rebels controlled it, wouldn’t it still be in rebel controlled area of Ukraine? Because of the Russian military personnel and command and control of this BUK unit. Putin can deflect rebels doing it with a wimp in the WH and the European wimps but not if it is proven to have been Russian military who shot down this passenger jet killing 295 civilians.

Finally why would the Ukrainians shoot down anything? They want the world’s help not to make enemies with the west. The rebels have no aircraft. Also remember how close this is to Russian border this area is controlled by the rebels and it has already been proven that the missile was fired in the rebel area.

I am betting this was a Russian false flag operation to pin a downing of a civilian aircraft with lots of dead civilians on Ukraine, that blew up in Russia’s / Putin’s face.


51 posted on 07/19/2014 3:18:49 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: over3Owithabrain
I’m not trying to prove Putin is a good guy. He’s not. That doesn’t prove he willfully ordered a hit on a civilian plane as you allege.

I agree. While there's no doubt Putin is at the very least giving moral support to the separatists, it's highly unlikely he ordered this plane shot down, an act of violence that has pretty much turned the entire world against the rebels.

My belief is that this was the work of separatists using a BUK that was seized from a Ukrainian military depot in Donetsk this past June, that they honestly thought they were shooting a cargo plane and most likely were either too poorly trained, stupid, drunk or all three to properly identify their target.

77 posted on 07/19/2014 5:33:10 PM PDT by Drew68
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