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GOP senator wants missile shields for airplanes
thehill.com ^ | July 18, 2014 | Keith Laing

Posted on 07/18/2014 12:22:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) is calling for commercial airplanes to be equipped with missile defense systems after a Malaysia Airlines flight was shot down over Ukraine on Thursday.

Kirk said Friday in an interview with CNN that the missile defense system would prevent a repeat of Thursday's crash, which killed the 298 passengers aboard the flight.

"I would have another suggestion that there is a system called DIRCM, which could potentially defeat heat-seeking missiles looking to shoot down a civilian airliner," Kirk said after calling for "one hell of a wrongful death suit" to be filed against Russia.

"It is an active defense system," Kirk continued. "DIRCM cost about $2 million each to blind a heat-seeking missile that is coming at you."

U.S. and Ukraine officials have said believe the flight was shot down by Russian separatists who have been battling Kiev in a dispute over the country's shared border with Russia.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that Ukraine bears responsibility for shooting down the jetliner because the incident occured in the latter country's airspace.

Kirk said Friday that the evidence thus far points to Russia as being the culprit. "It does appears the Buk missile system is so complicated that it would need a back-up from a nation state, like Russia," he said. "That would mean that Russian armed forces are directly involved in this wrongful death of roughly 300 people."

Only one of the nearly 300 passengers who were on board the downed plane have been found to be a U.S. citizen thus far, but Kirk said he still hoped the Department of Justice would get involved in the investigation of the incident.

"I want to hear that the Department of Justice will bring one hell of a wrongful death suit against Russian assets that are located in the United States to make sure there is a significant cost paid by Russia for this action of shooting down an international airliner with a weapons system that is directly related to the Russian forces," he said.


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To: C210N
Just don't fly over war zones.

The whole damn world is a war zone. So lets just ground all aircraft! Any rebel or idiots with even hand held rockets can infiltrate any landing or take off pattern and shoot down aircraft. It is coming to the entire world.

21 posted on 07/18/2014 12:38:26 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Unless he believes that Flight 800 was shot down by a missile, then this is a unique event.

But being in Washington for so long he is always looking for a solution before there is even a problem.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 12:39:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kirk said Friday in an interview with CNN that the missile defense system would prevent a repeat of Thursday's crash, which killed the 298 passengers aboard the flight. "I would have another suggestion that there is a system called DIRCM, which could potentially defeat heat-seeking missiles looking to shoot down a civilian airliner," Kirk said after calling for "one hell of a wrongful death suit" to be filed against Russia. "It is an active defense system," Kirk continued. "DIRCM cost about $2 million each to blind a heat-seeking missile that is coming at you."

Emphasis mine

I hate politicians who open their mouths because they feel they have something must be done mentality. If Sen. Kirk is accurately describing how the DIRCM system works it would NOT be effective against the BUK missile. Everything I have read is the system uses radar both vehicle based and a semi-active homingin the missile itself. There is NO heat seeking involved. The DIRCM was designed to be a countermeasure against heat seeking MANPAD missiles not SAM systems like the BUK. Kirk should keep his piehole shut until he can actually make a knowledgeable statement.

23 posted on 07/18/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Right. An airline willing to fly over a war zone because it is a shorter route, and thus saves a few buck in fuel costs, is going to spend $2M per plane. Right.


24 posted on 07/18/2014 12:42:53 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Logical me
Maybe the point is missed. In this world no aircraft is safe. The standard whoever shoots down any commercial aircraft should be executed. No excuse.
25 posted on 07/18/2014 12:43:35 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We need shields against Senators like him —

There is no shield against missiles that fly a mile a second.


26 posted on 07/18/2014 12:44:04 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Once you militarize a civilian airplane you make it a legit target.
Just do not fly over war zones.


27 posted on 07/18/2014 12:44:50 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Watch what you wish for with that wrongful death suit.
If some American citizen say from Detriotastan goes over to the middle east and fights for some terrorist group and shoots down a plane should America be sued?


28 posted on 07/18/2014 12:48:17 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s not as simple as dumping flares or chaff when you have a missile coming at you, the aircraft has to be able to maneuver quickly. Commercial airliners can’t do that. Many of todays SAM systems have ECM counter measures built in.


29 posted on 07/18/2014 12:49:22 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: NorthMountain

True.

How about we just mount a AN/ALQ-124 on every aircraft.


30 posted on 07/18/2014 12:49:22 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: C19fan

It also uses video tracking as well. Without going into the specifics it can track and lock onto a target using it’s video camera.


31 posted on 07/18/2014 12:52:07 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Blueflag

Sure! Why not?

Make sure the muzzie airlines get them, first, along with spares and training.

Makes all kinds of sense ...


32 posted on 07/18/2014 12:53:02 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Tailgunner Joe

on the goofy scale of 1-10...this is a 12.


33 posted on 07/18/2014 12:54:07 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Every damn thing that happens, they just cannot control themselves from thinking of themselves as the saviors.

And from their Washington splendor, they have become so superior that they don't seem to see what they themselves have become.

34 posted on 07/18/2014 12:57:11 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Lobbyists never let a tragedy go to waste.


35 posted on 07/18/2014 12:58:13 PM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline for lease)
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To: dead
"I propose the installation of a cone-of-silence over every politicians head in the immediate aftermath of any big media event."

A plastic shopping bag would be preferable.

36 posted on 07/18/2014 12:59:36 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In 2002, a year after “911” I was at a law enforcement conference. One of the sessions was for high level folks and was being given by the newly formed Dept. of Homeland Security. I was not supposed to be in the room but nobody said anything. It was a very big conference room and held about 200 people. In the middle of the conference room were tables full of tubes and metal pieces of stuff scattered about. It was pieces and parts of MANPADS. The reason for the session was to teach local law enforcement how to identify the parts of the devices so they could go back home and teach others. Why? Because at this point in time, 12 years ago, the Feds had already discovered that numerous MANPADS had been already smuggled in to the United States by the bad guys. There were uniformed Air Force in the room and they said that “all they have to do is point and shoot and the kill zone is a 40 mile radius around any US airport”. They explained that the MANPADS “are cheap and small and can be pulled out of the back seat of a car, fired and by the time the airliner is hit the shooter is long gone”.

Because of the altitude a MANPAD could not have shot down the airliner that was just shot down but it could have easily been shot down at low altitude.

Bottom line? There are likely hundreds if not thousands of MANPADS purchased on the black market or nowadays supplied by middle east bad guys sitting hidden in the US along with sleeper cells just waiting to wreck things. Because our borders have been wide open for years there is nothing we can do about this and the situation is getting worse by the day as more unknown people enter the United States.

Happy flying....


37 posted on 07/18/2014 1:00:21 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well I think he caught a lot of flack, but his resume seems pretty solid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kirk


38 posted on 07/18/2014 1:03:21 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Imam Obama would quit giving missiles to our muzzie enemies, the chances of going boom in the air would drop substantially.


39 posted on 07/18/2014 1:11:26 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No way


40 posted on 07/18/2014 1:12:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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