Skip to comments.Navy Missile Downs Iranian Jetliner (flashback)
Posted on 07/18/2014 9:24:06 AM PDT by 11th_VA
A U.S. warship fighting gunboats in the Persian Gulf yesterday mistook an Iranian civilian jetliner for an attacking Iranian F14 fighting plane and blew it out of the hazy sky with a heat seeking missile ...
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Pretty sure nobody wants to talk about that right now.
Is the Post still in business?
I forgot about that.
Considering the raging fire Obama has started from Pakistan to Tunisia, he hardly has the moral high ground to criticize Putin.
That was 25 years ago.
That is a very long, long time.
Technology advances. Just saying.
If ID technology has advanced so much then why did Russian separatists shoot down a civilian airliner?
This was all Rachel Maddcow talked about on MSLSD last night. It’s like the Russian shoot down didn’t even happen...and no, I’m not a regular viewer.
There were lots of questions about this when it happened. In particular, the bodies found floating were intact, naked, and bloated. Not quite what one would expect in a missile shootdown with a fireball of fuel.
There was speculation that the transponder on the plane was chirping “F15”, so when the search radar picked it up it was ID’d as a hostile. In other words, a setup which teh global press pounced on like they had been waiting for the go signal.
Whatever the cause or whether it was a setup, someone put the crosshairs on the blip and pushed the button.
Yeah I flipped by her show last night, and thought the exact same thing.
And no, I’m not a regular viewer either.
She was totally on a spin mission. Maybe I shouldn’t have trounced on this post so quick, but that was exactly what I thought about when I read this post.
The President speaks for us or have you forgotten?
I don’t care about his other actions, I expect him to hold Russia accountable. Doesn’t even matter if they weren’t directly related, this whole situation is his fault.
Standard missiles are heat seeking?
We acknowledged it, we apologized for it, we paid compensation to the families of killed passengers.
After deliberately and willfully shooting down KAL007, the Soviets lied, denied, and obfuscated.
Let’s see what the Russkis do now ...
“in the US Navy”
Wikipedia says no. (I know, I know. Trusting Wikipedia is risky.)
However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran.
“in the US Navy”
I was watching Fox and couldn’t believe nobody even talked about this incident - but maybe that’s because I was on active duty back then and have a vivid memory of the whole thing.
PS - I sometimes watch MsNbC for a few seconds myself. Was listening to Al Sharpton the other day and he was “shocked” at the number of black callers pissed off about Obama not enforcing the borders - gave me hope they may not turn out this fall.
The system thought to be used in this instance was the BUK, which is from the 70s.
Oh yeah. That’s a good point actually.
I have a friend who was on an oiler in the Indian Ocean at the time. The Vincennes had a real rep as an a**hole ship with something to prove. The Capt was just itching for the chance to actually do something with his nice, shiny Aegis Cruiser.
The friend also stressed to me the desire and need for aggressive ship commanders in the Navy, but that the Vincennes CO took it to a much different level.
Nope what? The US Navy is not our friends?
Or do you believe it was terrorists that shot down that flight?
Or (giggle) even funnier, (Heh heh heh) do you actually believe (HA HA HA HA HA....) The “Official” US version?
HA HA HA HA HA HA... ROFLMAO.....
At no point did we deny that USS VINCENNES launched the missile ... we expressed ‘regret’ for the loss of life ... we forked over the bucks.
Even wikipedia agrees with that.
The Russians/Soviets, OTOH ...
ROFLMAO !!! (Now that’s funny)
The rebels probably didn’t care if it was an airliners or not, they were likely to shoot anything that flew over.
The Russians were just a few decades ahead of the Obama administration, politically speaking. This President will never apologize for anything either
IIRC, there was a report that there were 2 Iranian Tomcats shadowing the airliner, probably to sneak attack the US destroyer. Once the destroyer locked on, and fired the missiles, the Tomcats broke off and ran.
That bears repeating.....
“The rebels probably didnt care if it was an airliners or not, they were likely to shoot anything that flew over.”
Irrational exuberance with no reliable commanders
Not to mention, the U.S. was savaged in the press over it. Whereas now, it appears that the implication is that what the Russian separatists did was ok because the U.S. did it.
When I was a factory foreman I had a couple of mentally retarded adults in the shop. They weren’t great at very complex jobs but simple repetitive tasks that needed doing were where they proved their value.
Obama is the kind of guy I would tell to take a chair, prop that door open with it and sit in the chair to make sure the door stays open.
(Course I’d just end up with a shop full of Guatemalans)
I got that thought from the transcript of the intercepted phone call I read.
I don’t think anyone is saying it’s Ok because we did it. The yahoo’s on the ground that fired the missile screwed up - just like we did. But the airliner could have avoided the air space as well - just sayin ...
Actually, we didn’t apologize.
There’s no evidence of the Iran Air’s crew doing anything but following normal civilian procedure. Vincennes had been pushing the envelope for some time, as the record showed.
Captain and crew all received normal end-of-tour medals and commendations, but the captain never received another sea command, and retired about 30 months afterwards.
Yeah, “there was a report”. That sounds real solid. “Some guy said.”
Come on, our guy screwed up. Man up and admit it.
I've been reading that a lot lately. My research leads me to believe this system is much more modern that a 70's system. The platform might have been designed in the late 70's but the missiles, radar and comm gear are more likely late 80's tech if captured from Ukraine forces but 90's or newer tech if they came from modern Russian forces.
I know that the US Navy was not responsible for the downing of TWA800.
If you want to disagree feel free, but do not ping me.
....but do not ping me.
Say what? You pinged me. Twice. I just replied, that’s all.
Are you new here? Freep much?
Difficult to say. We know Russia provided T- 64 tanks to the separatists and they’re from the 1960s.
Is that how it was? are you sure?
Let me tell you a thing or two about MSNBC...
If you have something to say, say it.
It was shot down by an Ageis guided missile cruiser. I doubt an F-14 has the same radar signature as an Airbus.
You may not be old enough to remember. There was also speculation the shoot down was payback for the Iranians taking down the Arrow military charter flight taking off from Gander. The Iranian’s motive was they got screwed by Ollie and Reagan in the embassy hostage exchange. Ollie sent them Hawk missile that had been rigged to not work.
Interesting the Captain and crew we’re not disiplined. I think the Captain got a letter in his file. That’s it.
There were reports Barry instigated the border invasion. Nothing official though.
There’s always the word on the street from back channels and then the official SRM version for public consumption.
I’m not going to spend hours digging through archives to satisfy some anal computer geek.
I was over 30 at the time. Is that old enough?
At least the Vincennes had the excuse that they believed they were shooting down a fighter jet fixing to launch an Exocet at them. The previous year, two Exocets fired by mistake from an Iraqi fighter (Saddam was an ally at the time) slammed into the USS Stark and killed 37 sailors. By contrast, the Ukrainian shoot was strictly offensive.
But the airliner could have avoided the air space as well - just sayin ...
As I recall, the USN offered the same defense in 1988.
Yes. Sorry about the rant. My snark tolerance is low, today.