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Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Ifax
Reuters ^ | 17 July 2014 | Alissa de Carbonne

Posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:22 AM PDT by CMB_polarization

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax cited an aviation industry source as saying on Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; crash; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh17; mh370; reset; russia; ukraine
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To: edpc
As someone posted earlier if the Russian military was operating the SA-17 they would have seen the MH17 squawking its transponder flight codes. They would also have had other IFF equipment and contact with other ATC radar flight data. I doubt it was under Russian Military control and because it was under trigger happy rebel control we have a tragedy. Just enough brains to use the weapon and stupid enough to shoot down Russian planes or their own aircraft as well. Will wait to see more information come out including any NATO intelligence that is released.
281 posted on 07/17/2014 10:08:58 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Cementjungle

They’ll all be framing this...and deciding who is going to take the fall for it....International Leaders know the impact and will say what they do to create or ease a situation.


282 posted on 07/17/2014 10:09:14 AM PDT by caww
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To: GreenHornet
When Obama hears about this on the evening news, he’ll be deeply concerned.

Post of the day.

283 posted on 07/17/2014 10:10:03 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: CMB_polarization

A potential false flag to tar the Russians. Who is behind it?


284 posted on 07/17/2014 10:10:40 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: caww

I did find it telling that you managed to find a tweet from a Spanish account who claims to be a ATC in Kiev alleging that Kiev shot the plane down, but not any from the Russian separatists claiming responsibility.


285 posted on 07/17/2014 10:10:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kabar

I don’t agree....not enough known yet.


286 posted on 07/17/2014 10:10:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: Zhang Fei
If Putin shared your assumptions, he would have moved his entire military to the Chinese border instead of smacking around former Russian possessions that pose no threat to him. Never assume that your opposite number thinks the way you do

Putin's smarter than trying to confront the Chicoms. That's why the events like the pipeline treaty have been taking place. In a 100 years will this be viewed as appeasement?, I have no idea.

You also missed the point. Putin has no PR to gain by poking a stick at the Chinese. I think his strategy is a slow growth of possessions, at little risk. This will be finally tempered when the west finally confronts the moves, or at the point to triggering an expansive war.

287 posted on 07/17/2014 10:11:15 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: All

Unconfirmed reports of 23 Americans killed and 80 children.


288 posted on 07/17/2014 10:12:26 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: catfish1957

Ha! That’s just life on Free Republic!

Still, I think we should use Occam’s Razor first, unless, after a proper amount of time to get the FACTS, other FACTS come out.

Occam’s Razor, however, would dictate some hot heads in a war, after just shooting down a Ukrainian Air Force cargo plane with a SAM a couple of days ago, did this too. Kind of a hero to zero moment once they realize what they just did.

In any case, the fact that it is a Malaysian Air jet means little just because of the earlier disappearance.

So I’m waiting for the facts.


289 posted on 07/17/2014 10:12:50 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Mat_Helm
Parts and pieces will be telling as well...
290 posted on 07/17/2014 10:13:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: Cementjungle

This is a crisis... and we don’t waste crises around here.. and I don’t think Aviation is going to be OK with ‘Oopsieism’.

Our Sats know who pulled the trigger and with what.


291 posted on 07/17/2014 10:13:37 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: caww

The facts should come out. We will just agree to disagree. MH 17 did check in with Ukrainian flight controllers when it entered their airspace.


292 posted on 07/17/2014 10:15:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: 1rudeboy
My comment wasn't directed at you specifically, just at the regular pro-Putin modus operandi of some of our more notorious neo-Bolshevik FReepers.

I understand. I despise Putin immensely, but will have to admit I admire his leadership a hell of a lot more than the stupid punk in the WH right now.

293 posted on 07/17/2014 10:15:35 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: All

Translation of Russian national terrorist leader Igor Girkin credit claim for airliner shoot down:

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-150-ukrainian-troops-describe-grad-rocket-attack-from-russia/#3391


294 posted on 07/17/2014 10:16:29 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Neoliberalnot
A potential false flag to tar the Russians. Who is behind it?

Maybe the entire Cold War was a false flag to tar the Russians.

295 posted on 07/17/2014 10:16:44 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: rainee

Whatever the story that comes out...the deaths of so many is a loss for many families....and I suspect from various countries. This in itself will demand a complete investigation.


296 posted on 07/17/2014 10:17:00 AM PDT by caww
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To: 1rudeboy

:-)


297 posted on 07/17/2014 10:18:21 AM PDT by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: caww

Body parts and wreckage spread over nine-mile area according to initial reports. Definitely broke up mid-air.


298 posted on 07/17/2014 10:18:44 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: caww

Poor souls. Rest in peace.


299 posted on 07/17/2014 10:18:53 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: kabar

Interesting as information continues to come out......those in the know will piece these and all evidence to get the story eventually.

Still...so many families will be soon in grief and affected by this. Very sad day for many.


300 posted on 07/17/2014 10:19:11 AM PDT by caww
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