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Fighting in Ukraine Escalates as Militia Groups Flock to Donetsk
vice.com ^ | May 27, 2014 | Harriet Salem

Posted on 05/27/2014 4:44:13 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: tcrlaf
No matter how hard you try, you will not change a fact that islamists are fighting against Ukraine on the side of a russian trash state.

Go get a real job.

41 posted on 05/28/2014 2:06:47 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: wideawake

~Except, of course, that there are no connections.
Every “news item” that makes this connection ultimately links back to claims made in Russia Today, the propaganda arm of the Putin regime.~

It looks like you distrust Russia Today (probably for a reason, but..) so much that everything opposite to it is eternal Verity for you.


42 posted on 05/28/2014 2:11:54 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: mac_truck

~Sashko Muzychko was another Right Sector trizub who bragged about killing Russians in Chechnya, and I’m sure there are others.~

There is a video of this idiot screaming crap to a crowd of muslims in Grozny back to 1990s.


43 posted on 05/28/2014 2:15:32 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: mac_truck

~Sashko Muzychko was another Right Sector trizub who bragged about killing Russians in Chechnya, and I’m sure there are others.~

There is a video of this idiot screaming crap to a crowd of muslims in Grozny back to 1990s.


44 posted on 05/28/2014 2:15:33 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: tcrlaf

The “Western media source” cribbed all its “information” from Russia Today - a propaganda machine. The Daily Beast did not do any investigation.


45 posted on 05/28/2014 4:43:32 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: tcrlaf
Calling for someone to be arrested, asking for him to resign from a group, etc. is not evidence of anything.

You yourself said that Russians were the ones who had a motive to kill him.

46 posted on 05/28/2014 4:46:14 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wetphoenix
You are completely in error.

If I were to believe the exact opposite of RT's line, I would think that Yarosh and friends were shining Ukrainian patriots and that the Right Sector is an admirable organization.

They are neither.

They are loudmouths and opportunists trying to bask in the glory of an independence movement that they did not create, and they are trying to take credit for a victory they did not achieve.

47 posted on 05/28/2014 4:50:02 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Grzegorz 246
...you will not change a fact that islamists are fighting against Ukraine on the side of a russian trash state.

You are using the term 'islamist' incorrectly...either from ignorance or to mislead.

48 posted on 05/28/2014 5:55:57 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
You are going to tell me a story about “good” pro-Russian Chechens and “bad” anti-Russian Chechens ? Majority of secular rebels were finished off years ago and there are elements of Sharia law implemented in Kadyrov’s Chechenya, with Puti’s blessing. Now paste something from RT.
49 posted on 05/28/2014 8:08:42 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: wetphoenix; tcrlaf
I love the knee jerk reactions from the bobble heads regarding any information that runs counter to the western government propaganda they imbibe.

Yesterday there was a thread about US military training Syrian 'rebels' in Qatar and the news source was RT. Of course some slug posts a comment about Russian propaganda when in fact the article was about a Front Line documentary that was produced and broadcast on American public television.

That gave me a chuckle.

50 posted on 05/28/2014 11:57:41 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

This is the current “Cause Celeb” over at DailyKos, just like the runup to Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria was.

Of course, the very same people who spent years decrying the War on Terror, are just fine with killing if a Democrat does it, and you had better not DARE to speak against it.


51 posted on 05/28/2014 12:06:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: mac_truck

Good guess Mac.


52 posted on 05/28/2014 12:11:04 PM PDT by caww
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To: free_life

....”All information coming out of Russia including RT media and territory held in eastern Ukraine by Russian terrorists is disinformation”.......

The same as in the MSM here in the US....thus looking for other sources and evidence of truth is necessary...dig one must do to arrive at the truth...and in the fog of war it isn’t always possible nor necessary.....it’s war...people die on both sides....and both sides using foreign fighters for this proxy war on top of Ukraine war...on top of Keiv Gov war within it.


53 posted on 05/28/2014 12:15:21 PM PDT by caww
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To: mac_truck; All

Global Research.Org, an Open Society NGO from Canada is confirming that most of the 30+ wounded Rebels that died when the truck was hit in Donetsk were executed by shots to the head.

Also in today’s update:

-Donetsk Airport freight terminal is burned and partly destroyed. Kiev is believed to be in control of the airport at this time. Damage to the terminal building is unknown.

-The attempt to seize Donetsk Airport was reinforced by Vostok Brigade. Casualties were heavy in the brigade but numbers unknown.

-Numerous bombardments last evening and this morning of civilian areas of Slavyansk, Donetsk, Mariupol and Lugansk City and suburbs, civilian casualties are heavy with more than 70 reported dead and wounded.

-Major movements of Kiev forces as of 05 local time this morning have not commenced. More information on this later.

-As of 11:30 local time scattered probing attacks are reported around Slavyansk.

-As of 10:05 local time the situation in Mariupol is unknown.

-No major attacks by the Nats today, just numerous small probes.

-Evacuation is being attempted in Slavyansk for civilians but it is not possible, the city is cut off and surrounded to an extent. Don’t know if this is true or if it is a charade to mask the evacuation of at least the children. Reality is Slavyansk has to large a population to evacuate, 120,000.

-Scattered artillery and mortar attacks continue in the vicinity of Slavyansk and the outskirts of Donetsk, almost all at random civilian residential areas. Some casualties but number is unknown.

-No information on the situation in either Lugansk Oblast or Mariupol in Donetsk Oblast
http://www.globalresearch.ca/east-ukraine-report-from-the-front-lines-heavy-civilian-casualties/5384352?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=east-ukraine-report-from-the-front-lines-heavy-civilian-casualties&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


54 posted on 05/28/2014 2:06:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; Greetings_Puny_Humans
I'm pretty sure Global Research is anything but an Open Society NGO, unless Soros now employs anti-globalist nutcases to make them look bad.

According to Global Research's own website, they are headed by a man named Michel Chossudovsky, and sports associates like Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, an 'anti-Zionist' Iranian who supports unrestricted uranium enrichment by Iran, and F. William Engdahl, who is connected to perennial nutcase Lyndon LaRouche.

All three are favorite "independent journalists" of RT, PressTV and Russian media, and Global Research constantly uses them as reliable sources. All three are also on the scientific board of Geopolitica, under the editor Tiberio Graziani, whose Russian connections are confirmed due to his being a leader of a Russian expansionist movement headed by Alexander Dugin.

Tentative conclusion: Global Research is yet another quasi-independent propaganda agency of the Kremlin, whose leaders are rewarded through payments made under the excuse of being on Geopolitica's board, which essentially functions as a money laundering front for the FSB's propagandists.

55 posted on 05/28/2014 3:30:21 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: tcrlaf
My suspicions are further heightened by the fact that the Kremlin has already openly admitted to doing almost exactly the same thing in Operation INFEKTION, a propaganda campaign fabricating evidence for a conspiracy that the United States was behind AIDS.

I found this part of Operation INFEKTION particularly interesting:

"Dissemination was usually along a recognized pattern: propaganda and disinformation would first appear in a country outside of the USSR and only then be picked up by a Soviet news agency, which attributed it to others’ investigative journalism. That the story came from a foreign source (not widely known to be Soviet controlled or influenced) added credibility to the allegations, especially in impoverished and less educated countries which generally could not afford access to Western news satellite feeds. To aid in media placement, Soviet propaganda was provided free of charge, and many stories came with cash benefits.[11] This was particularly the case in India and Ghana, where the Soviet Union maintained a large propaganda and disinformation apparatus for covert media placement."

...sound familiar?

56 posted on 05/28/2014 3:34:06 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat

Great research, you know a great deal.


57 posted on 05/28/2014 3:49:39 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It’s particularly interesting now after looking into some of the people on Geopolitica’s board, which at first glance appears to be an innocuous Italian language scientific journal.

Almost every single one of them have written positively about Russia’s ambitions and/or disparaged the West intervening in Ukraine and to top it off, there appears to be a disproportionate amount of Russians on the board. In fact, it looks like there’s are even more Russians than there are Italians.

On the board of Dugin’s Eurasian movement, you see the same thing. You would also expect the leaders of a Russian nationalist movement to be from formerly Soviet states, but instead there’s surprising diversity. There’s a Japanese leader, a few Serbs, a Turk, Frenchmen, Swedes, Kazakhstanis and of course, Mr. Graziani, who is apparently an Italian.


58 posted on 05/28/2014 4:29:37 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat; All

Just breaking:

A heavy fight going on near Oleksandrivsk, in Lugansk. A National guard unit is surrounded by rebels.

In addition, there was HUGE explosion in Lugansk at the National Guard base, during a fight when a rebel RPG hit an Ammunition storage building. Rebels now claim to have complete control of the base. Reports are of numerous casualties.

Important to note that Kiev has stopped releasing casualty figures, unless the incident and deaths are impossible not to acknowledge, like the widely distributed video of the helicopter crash.


59 posted on 05/29/2014 2:05:00 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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