Posted on 05/26/2014 3:09:55 AM PDT by Enterprise
"When Elliot Rodger's parents realized just how dangerous their disturbed son was, they made a desperate attempt to try to stop him. They received a copy of his 141-page manifesto and saw a YouTube video outlining his plans for his "Day of Retribution" on Friday night and called 911 before rushing to Santa Barbara in separate cars, a family friend tells the New York Daily News. They heard about the shooting spree while they were on their way. "They were hoping against hope," the friend says. "They are in inconceivable pain."
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"He had been in therapy since childhood, but turned his back on mental health care when he turned 18. He had no criminal history, never explicitly threatened others, and even when his worried parents requested police check on him, deputies found no reason to place him in an involuntary psychiatric hold."
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There was an article on FR yesterday with a link to some of his pictures, they were classy. Serious.
The killer is an adult. His parents may not have any legal liability. California is a crazy state, so a jury may find that they do, but in a sane world parents are not responsible for the actions of adult children, any more than children are responsible for the actions of their parents.
I'm sure some creative lawyer will shop around and find a judge willing to make the parents responsible.
IF the above is true they have my sympathy...
I believe you're correct. But even if the number is only ten or eleven out of the last 12, it's abundantly clear that therapy is the main cause of mass murder.
Ergo, we need THERAPY CONTROL, not gun control.
Truly insane people can't fake "normal". So he isn't insane and he didn't snap. He was in control of himself and carefully planning his day of retribution for along time.
He was a deeply angry and bitter person who gave himself over to his darker emotions because all the therapy and money couldn't give him what he wanted which was probably an intact family with parents who actually loved and cared about him.
Strange, when the media reports on this tragedy they simply state that the shooter fired on a crowd “killing” 6 people. I keep reading that he stabbed three people, but nobody is mentioning that. Where did he stab three people? This story is confusing.
He stabbed three people in his apartment before he went out and did all the shooting.
So, you hear about the incident, assume it’s your son although the shooter hasn’t been identified yet, so you turn around and go home?
And all three of those people died. This is as much a mass stabbing as a mass shooting.
Did they really turn around and go home? Wow! I didn’t know that.
Do you know any people with autism? It’s called a spectrum disorder, meaning that it covers a wide range of behaviors and intensities. Most of them don’t involve violence against other people, but sometimes, autistic people (who are sealed in their own worlds, in a lot of ways) develop a certain paranoia and irrational anger against people in the “real world.”
His family may not have been to my taste or, obviously, to your taste, but they appear to have tried to get help for him from the start. There’s really not much more they could have done, given the legal and medical situation.
The mother of the mass killer in CT tried to deny his condition and actually kept him out of treatment or supervision for a long time, until she herself finally became afraid of him...but too late, unfortunately.
These people at lest seem to have made an effort. “Mother” is not the cause of all problems. I know the nicest family in the world - and they have an autistic child. It’s not their fault. They don’t know how to handle him any better than Rodgers’ family did, not to mention how to figure out what’s going to happen to him when he’s old enough to be on his own.
And, btw, as for the parents’ divorce: that’s very common in families with a mentally ill child. The stress is unbearable for many marriages.
Did the three in the apt. die? Are they part of the 6?
So, let me see if I got this straight. He stabbed 3 people to death and he shot 3 people to death, and tried to run over numbers of others. So, how is this the gun’s fault, as I’m hearing from the media?
Yep. What I got from this kid's screed was an unbelievable sense of entitlement and a self-obsession that was in and of itself not sane. He was somebody because he had been to five countries by the time he was five. He was somebody because his Dad was a famous director, and "betrayed" when Dad underwent some financial reverses at an inconvenient time for Me. He was somebody because his birth mother dated George Lucas. The high points in his life were two movie premiers into which he got because of his parents' connections, allowing him to "smirk" - his word - at the proles still in line as they were ushered in. His birth mother betrayed him by not marrying into wealth (although he urged her to repeatedly) that would keep him in the style to which he'd like to become accustomed. He was obsessively status-hungry and outraged when his acquaintances had been born into more wealth than he. Binges in First Class airline lounges. Absolutely no sense, not one mention of any of it being earned by him (or anyone else). He was a Man of Destiny he claims several times. Destined for greatness, cruelly denied by other people.
The world simply didn't recognize his magnificence - his word, I could scarcely believe I was reading it - and shower him with the adulation to which he was entitled. Women - blonde girls, actually - especially. When he walked into the bungalow of his step-mother and poured himself a glass of water he was utterly outraged to hear her say, "Hey, you're supposed to knock." "I am the eldest son!" he says in the text, "and you only have what you have from my father. My claim is superior to yours!"
Major drama queen - everything that happened to him was the worst thing that ever happened to anyone. A photographic memory for childhood friends, back to age 4, especially the ones who had rejected or teased him. Major stature inferiority complex.
No, you are correct, no jobs ever except for one building a staircase for a friend and another janitorial position that he stated outright was "beneath him" and that he quit after one day. Everything in his entire life was paid for by other people's money because, Gosh darn it, he's worth it.
He begged the parents for laptops for his game obsession and got them at birthdays and Christmas. The last one he got because the one he had, had somehow gotten "full of viruses" about which he did nothing other than beg for another.
I saw some panic when he realized that his birth mother could cut him off at any time and probably wanted to, which is why he got the janitorial job. But that crisis passed, and he set a floor financially under which he'd have to start his Day of Retribution. That floor was $5000. The kid had five grand in the bank and considered it a crisis.
And so the get-rich-quick schemes. He was going to write an epic novel but discovered that screenwriters don't get paid enough to make him a multi-millionaire as he deserved. And then the lottery. He was dropping $400 and $500 on lottery tickets and driving to Arizona to purchase them when they weren't offered in California. And he was certain, absolutely certain, it was "my destiny" to win the Powerball when it went up to record levels. When he didn't he describes himself as sitting on the roof crying inconsolably. That was when it all started to drain down to the massacre.
The one thing in his life he actually had to "earn" was his driver's license which took multiple tries at the age of 18. Mom gave him her second car, a $65,000 BMW, afterward so that he'd be transportation-independent and so be able to sustain himself (I've lived in California - she had a point) - but the BMW also offered him something he desperately desired, status, and for a time that was enough.
I shouldn't be overly disrespectful to his birth mother, who seems to have made sacrifices so that he could have all these things. His father was distant but he wrote that had he run into him in the bungalow wherein he intended to murder his step-mother and little brother, he'd have called the thing off at that point.
That's just what I can remember off the top of my head. Rich California kid who considered himself poor and oppressed, who never did anything positive in his life. There's a lot of that about, I suppose, but they don't usually murder people out of a sense of self-pity and false retribution.
Agree....
Yep, there is something going on here.
The way I understand it, he stabbed / murdered the three in his apartment first, then went out and shot and ran over others and murdered 3 more before committing suicide. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/california-shooting-first-pictures-elliot-3605188
Off note of what you are talking about. I’ve decided after reading some of his writings that he killed two of his roommates in their sleep. When the third came by he led him to believe the friend was in a back area of the home and then jumped and killed the third.
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