It goes back further than that...
...once you’ve accepted GOD the Father has a physical, human body...
Posted on 05/13/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by marthemaria
Pope Francis would absolutely baptize an alien from Mars, if one showed up at the Vatican and asked for it. During his weekly homily on Monday, Franics said that aliens — which he imagines could be "Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them" — should be baptized just like anyone else who asks for it, because it's not up to any human to decide who should receive the Holy Spirit.
In other words: if God prompts some Martians to come to Earth, find the Pope, and say "we want in on this Catholicism thing." The pope would probably say "OK. cool." But probably in Latin.
Francis laid out the hypothetical situation as part of a discussion of the early Church's baptizing of Gentiles. Basically, the earliest Church contained some tension over whether there was any difference between the very early Jewish followers of Christ, and Gentiles who converted from paganism to Christianity, who would be considered "unclean" by the standards of Jewish law. Peter eventually persuades his followers that everyone is open to becoming Christian by saying, "If then God gave them the same gift He gave to us when we came to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?"
So here's how Francis tried to illustrate that point on Monday, with a much more modern example:
That was unthinkable. If – for example - tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?"
What would happen? They'd get baptized, that's what would happen. He goes on:
"When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, 'No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, lets do it this way'... Who are we to close doors? In the early Church, even today, there is the ministry of the ostiary [usher]. And what did the ostiary do? He opened the door, received the people, allowed them to pass. But it was never the ministry of the closed door, never."
The Vatican's astronomer — the same one who dismissed 'Intelligent Design' as 'bad theology' — said in 2010 that he'd baptize an alien because "any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul." But, again, only if they request it. So glad that's settled. Now all we have to do is wait.
“Well done. You just proved my assessment of your reason for trolling FR. Way to go!”
Well, I’m not the one posting nonsense that science debunked nearly a century ago, so I leave it to the forum to decide who amongst the two of us is “trolling FR”.
So you think the zero point field has been ‘debunked’? Bwahahahaha
“So you think the zero point field has been ‘debunked’? Bwahahahaha”
No, the idea that there is no speed limit, which you posited in post 194, has been debunked. Your ideas about getting limitless energy from the zero point field are essentially irrelevant, because you don’t understand that no matter how much energy you have, it won’t help you to accelerate beyond c.
Let's put it this way: without time, events do not occur; without space, things do not exist. Quantum non-locality works out that two connected/related/intertwined particles can communicate instantly regardless of distance between them. To do so, information must be 'traveling' many multiples of "c" if the objects are very far apart. There is only one way I can think of for this to be so and that has to do with the actual nature of time (time is a function in speed, as you know). Time is thought of as a linear phenomenon, which can be warped by sufficient gravitational field. It may have other expression characteristics, also, like planar and volumetric. Planar time may be the 'time' reality for the photon, but you're not interested in such stuff ... because you already know what cannot be true, as if you have already proven the negatives you wish to hold onto. ;^)
Plenty.
“Um, wrong. If there is no inertia mass then regardless of how fast it travels it does not accumulate more mass.”
That is also an irrelevant point, because even something with zero mass cannot travel faster than c.
“Quantum non-locality works out that two connected/related/intertwined particles can communicate instantly regardless of distance between them.”
No, quantum non-locality explicitly does not allow FTL communication. It involves, as Einstein famously noted “action at a distance”, but that action does not pass any usable information, so it doesn’t help you in your quest to violate relativity.
“There is only one way I can think of for this to be so...”
This sums up the problem right here. Just because you can’t think of another way, you assume things must be the way you think they are, but you are mistaken on quite a few points.
Put another way for thought, Jesus stepped from one where/when into our where/when then out again. He did not cease to be spatially and temporally, He just ceased being perceived in our spacetime. So, there is indication that different spatio-temporal coordinates do exist which you and I are not equipped to sense. That doesn't mean we may never find a way to sense this other spatio-temporal reality. And since we presently have no well organized conceptualization of this other spatio-temporal coordinate system we ought not make assertions like you make setting "c" as a limit.
Information is mediated by the spatio-temporal coordinate system of our perception via electromagnetic properties we are designed to sense. This design appears to limit our sensing absed upon photon characteristics. But if we do not have all the characteristics of how photons may impact other spatio-temporal coordinate systems then we have something about time yet to be understood, as the temporal nature of the greater Universe exists. Said another way, membranes of different spatio-temporal coordinates may in fact be unsensed by our mechanism but yet exist as real as our coordinate system. These other coordinate systems will have spatial and temporal qualities. To impose the 'limit' system (photon mediated electromagnetic information) of our sensory perception upon the other system(s) is rather closed minded.
The Bible in fact contains many scenes which indicate (if you believe the Bible) there exists at least one and perhaps many different spatio-temporal coordinate systems which are as real as ours and from which someone has come and gone and come again. But that would just bore someone such as yourself. The
BTW, the EPR principle does not exclude communication one way at greater than light speed, it just precludes this information transfer from being two-way reciprocally.
Bwahahahaha ... um, it is ‘a planet around Kolob’, IIRC. Inhabitants of Kolob would be mighty strange indeed, since Kolob was the Smithian star mythology.
My error. I never was much of a student for mythology.
Besides, once you’ve accepted Moon Quakers, Kolobians are but a seer’s stone throw away.
Watch it!
They KNOW where you live!
TIME is Mother Nature’s way of making sure that everything doesn’t happen at once.
It goes back further than that...
...once you’ve accepted GOD the Father has a physical, human body...
How interesting, I was just watching a program about aliens the other night on the History Channel. It seems that many of the abductions around the United States, claimed to be by aliens, involve the aliens trying to understand why/how humans have souls.
As MUFON continues their research into the files about abductions at the ‘hotspots,’ a common theme has emerged. Contrary to some of the more gruesome type abductions these ‘hotspot’ visits involve placing the humans in chambers and taking their souls out of their bodies and then placing the soul back in.
Apparently they fear the human soul and rightly so as the human soul is the very breath of God.
I'm hiding in a slot canyon over there.
“well, if one particle is linked to the other particle and action on one causes an instant change or action to occur on the other, information has happened, so I do not accept your assumption as valid. Bell’s inequality allows for exactly such transfer of information.”
This might be true, it’s an open question, however, it’s not really an open question that there is no way for humans to harness entanglement for FTL communication or travel. So, unless you are an entangled particle, it’s another irrelevant point. Or, if you can find a way to do so, you’d have disproven both special relativity and quantum mechanics, so you should be claiming your Nobel prize and not posting your screeds here on FR.
The behavior mechanism in animals is not directed by a spirit, but in Humans it is. What drives the spirit determines the behavior patterns discernable by others: ex: Hitler, a mass murderer, a lying politician, a sexual degenerate, etc.
So, if these technologically advanced beings have no spirit component the way God gave to humankind as the means to direct our behavior mechanism, then the soul of these 'others' is completely utilitarian, not able to discern good and evil.
The question that then screams in my mind is, and the issue I addressed at the beginning is, can satanic forces then direct the souls of these 'others', or are they immune from satan powers because they have no spirit director in their souls? If they cannot be directed by satanic powers then they do not need a Savior to redeem them, okay? ... Think a very techy cat or dog or gorilla or dolphin not needing Salvation for a spirit they do not have.
You make so many unfounded assumptions when you try to be insulting that it is a waste of time to respond further to you. But thank you for playing ...
You are so correct.
Coming from you, accusations of “unfounded assumptions” ring a bit hollow.
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