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What Do the Putins of the World Want?
Townhall.com ^ | May 8, 2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/08/2014 4:25:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

Vladimir Putin's Russia is a disaster of a declining population, corruption, authoritarianism, a warped economy and a high rate of alcoholism.

Why, then, would Putin want to ruin additional territory in Crimea and Ukraine the way that he has wrecked most of Russia?

Doesn't Russia have enough land for its diminishing population? Are there not enough minerals, timber, gas and oil for Putin's kleptocrats?

In the modern age, especially since Karl Marx, we rationalize the causes of wars as understandable fights over real things, like access to ports, oil fields, good farmland and the like. Yet in the last 2,500 years of Western history, nations have just as often invaded and attacked each other for intangibles. The historian Thucydides wrote that the classical Athenians had won and kept their empire mostly out of "fear, honor and self-interest."

Maybe that was why most battles in ancient Greece broke out over rocky and mountainous borderlands. Possession of these largely worthless corridors did not add to the material riches of the Spartans, Thebans or Athenians. But dying for such victories did wonders for their national pride and collective sense of self.

Why did the Argentine dictatorship invade the British Falkland Islands in 1982? The great Argentine novelist Jorge Luis Borges dismissed the entire Argentine-British dispute over the isolated, windswept rocks as a pathetic fight between "two bald men over a comb."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Russia
KEYWORDS: vladimirputin; worldcitizens

1 posted on 05/08/2014 4:25:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

~Vladimir Putin’s Russia is a disaster of a declining population, corruption, authoritarianism, a warped economy and a high rate of alcoholism.

Why, then, would Putin want to ruin additional territory in Crimea and Ukraine the way that he has wrecked most of Russia?~

Has author ever check how things are going in Ukraine before writing it?


2 posted on 05/08/2014 4:35:07 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Kaslin

an opponent who can play chess. <p? Kerry and Obama are not worthy players.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 4:35:41 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Kaslin
Vladimir Putin's Russia is a disaster of a declining population, corruption, authoritarianism, a warped economy and a high rate of alcoholism.

0bama's america is a disaster of corruption, authoritarianism, a warped economy and a high rate of losers who get welfare instead of working.

4 posted on 05/08/2014 4:38:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: wetphoenix

Since you live in Russia, I suppose you must know what you are talking about


5 posted on 05/08/2014 4:42:24 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Why, then, would Putin want to ruin additional territory in Crimea...

What a stupid question. Even I know why Putin wants Crimea and some of the other low hanging fruit.

6 posted on 05/08/2014 4:42:54 AM PDT by McGruff (Our forefathers were called terrorist by the Brits.)
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To: Kaslin

A little off topic but what is going on is a pertinent question (and similar to your topic) ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3152234/posts?page=57 ... please note this information is four days + old. My apology if is felt this information is out of place.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 4:44:02 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kaslin

VDH is excellent and spot on, once again, in his observation.


8 posted on 05/08/2014 4:52:13 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: wetphoenix

Okey Dokey nOOb.

Your lack of an alternative theory demonstrates the depth of your intellect and most pot holes have greater depth.


9 posted on 05/08/2014 5:07:53 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kaslin

He’s a robber, plain and simple, more, more


10 posted on 05/08/2014 5:18:19 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

Naive people, like our current joke of a president, like to pretend that we live in a different world from the one that used to exist. In this new world, things like geopolitics and war don’t play any role. However, that is totally incorrect and naive.

Putin is trying to regain control over territories lost during the collapse of the Soviet Union in the late ‘80s/ early ‘90s for the same reason that Russia has always tried to maintain control of these territories; geopolitical security. Russian history shows that invasion from European powers is the greatest geopolitical threat to Russia. Maintaining control of Eastern Europe as a buffer area is Russia’s best defense against such invasions. That is likely Putin’s main motivation, as it has been for Russian leaders throughout that country’s history.


11 posted on 05/08/2014 5:51:17 AM PDT by stremba
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“Like Hitler, Putin does not know exactly which future aggressive act will prompt an American and European reaction.”

I just don’t see this Hitler-like expansion taking place. Maybe Putin is playing it smarter, but I think something else is happening that’s less ambitious. If Russia invades Ukraine (notwithstanding Crimea) then VDH will be proven right, and I’ll be wrong.


12 posted on 05/08/2014 6:19:08 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Kaslin

People want wealth and power. If you have wealth, you can buy power. If you have power, you can take wealth. Putin’s strength is that he knows the Democrats want wealth and power, and he sees through their BS. The Democrats absolutely hate anyone who sees through their BS.


13 posted on 05/08/2014 7:56:45 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin

“But dying for such victories did wonders for their national pride and collective sense of self.”
I do believe you hit the nail on the head.
WARS start inside the warped mind. We have many leaders who cannot fathom the judgement of our Creator.


14 posted on 05/08/2014 8:36:36 AM PDT by rusureitflies?
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To: Vendome

~Okey Dokey nOOb.

Your lack of an alternative theory demonstrates the depth of your intellect and most pot holes have greater depth.~

Do you really think Ukraine is ahead of Russia in terms of economy, population growth or it doesn’t have corruption and alcoholism?


15 posted on 05/08/2014 8:44:04 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Kaslin

I’ve been to Ukraine too. My uncle’s wife and her family are from Odessa.


16 posted on 05/08/2014 8:46:07 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Do you really think changing the subject is something I’m going to agree to?

Or do you not understand engrish?

VDH didn’t say that was the motivation behind Putin and Reds avarice.

Go back, read the article and get back to me.

Hint:
It’s about what motivates bullies and thugocracies and what boundaries they will cross, why they do it and just how far they will go until someone or group of someones makes clear they have gone to far: “Stop! Go no further!”

Or in the case of Sadaam: “Hey, We are your patron and the sole super power, trying to keep peace and order in the world. GTFO on your own volition or we are going to be all over you, like white on rice”.


17 posted on 05/08/2014 2:25:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

You don’t need to explain me what this article was about because I’ve got an idea. If you are to get back to my post you’ll see that I’m disputing one exact statement.


18 posted on 05/08/2014 4:33:08 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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