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To: ncalburt

Again, is there another source, besides MaidanPR, covering this story in near-real time, that you would approve of?

If not, just go away troll.


5 posted on 05/02/2014 3:19:21 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; ncalburt

Gentlemen:

I can see you’ve both been here quite some time. I doubt you could last for over 5 years each without having established your conservative bona fides.

There are heavily slanted news sources in the world. We quote them on FR. It might be useful to point out the slant, which we do on a regular basis.

But we don’t censor out those news sources. We also oughtn’t (in my opinion) take it too badly when one of us quotes them by posting an article.

For example, I generally take the Ukranian side in this. But I’m not opposed to tcrlaf posting from RT, or ncalburt for properly pointing out that it tends to be a Putin mouthpiece. I can take both bits of information and deal with them judiciously.

I do, however, save my fire for newcomers who grind their monotonal axe for one side or the other, only to leave when their pet conflict of the day dies down. Those folks can be run out of the site.

In the mean time, we can have a spirited debate on the merits, and perhaps even some hard hitting opinionating.

But name calling is a bit much among long time FReepers, don’t you think?


9 posted on 05/02/2014 3:31:43 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: tcrlaf
Again, is there another source, besides MaidanPR, covering this story in near-real time, that you would approve of?

Nothing wrong with posting from biased news sources, but you should at least be able to admit and periodically point out to people who follow your threads that RT is pure Russian state propaganda. Doesn't mean there isn't some good information to be had, just that it all comes through the prism of Russian propagandists.

I actually find it interesting to see the Russian perspective, but let us not kid ourselves about what we are reading. It may be worth posting from MSNBC sometimes too, but we all know that is Democrat Party propaganda.

My impression, and perhaps I am wrong, is that you are firmly in the Putin camp - and that group is generally referred to as Putinista's here and on other conservative sites. Libertarian and Ron Paul sites (and to some extent blogs like ZeroHedge) tend to treat RT as if it were real, unbaised news because they often believe all kinds of conspiracy theories about what is going on in the Ukraine. They think it's all about fiat currency, gold, petro dollars replacing the US dollar as the worlds reserve currency, neo-cons (aka Jews), an Israeli plots, etc. I'm sorry but all of that is a bunch of nonsensical conspiracy theories better left to infowars and sites like it.

It's really pretty simple. Most Ukrainians, not all but a majority, would rather align with the West (even if that means all the bad things that come from associating with the Euroweasels and IMF). Russia just proved, if any proof was necessary, by annexing the Crimea that they are interested in expanding their territory almost no matter what the cost. If you don't believe Russian operatives are in Eastern Ukraine stirring up much of this trouble, you've got blinders on.

There many not be any "good" guys here, but most conservatives are going to be with Ukrainians who wish to lean to the West and get out from under the boot of an increasingly undemocratic (again) Russia. They've lived with a Russian/Soviet neighbor who has starved them, seized their land and generally been a meddling, overbearing threat who is determined to keep the Ukraine in their sphere of influence come hell or high water. Even if the EU is worse in your opinion, the majority of Ukrainians don't have as bad a history with them.

24 posted on 05/02/2014 4:01:10 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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