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Perry on Bush's 'Act of Love' Remarks: Sympathize w/Illegals who Break Laws to Help Their Families
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | April 23, 2014 | Tony Lee

Posted on 04/23/2014 10:05:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: bigmak007
Ruck Fick Perry

And the caballo he rode in on.

41 posted on 04/23/2014 11:59:19 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: This Just In

Yes, let’s spend billions more of taxpayer money to build a wall over and under which the illegals flow like the Mighty Mississippi toward the Gulf. /s

Eff the freepin’ wall! What we need is landmines, handgrenades, and snipers. And, no, I ain’t even close to kiddin’.


42 posted on 04/24/2014 12:25:54 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Don't believe the pro-ILLEGAL alien spin that border fences do not work. They do.

"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."

I like the idea of landmines, though.

43 posted on 04/24/2014 12:50:05 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: mylife

This is the bit everyone will miss about what he said:
Perry said, noting that that was especially the case when the United States has, in his opinion, essentially told Mexicans for 40 years, “come on over, its okay, don’t worry about breaking the law.”
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Agree, mylife. I caught that on the first read. Perry is not saying he embraces amnesty, but the blame for so many illegals in the US now lies with the failure of the Feds to enforce the Immigration Laws. ......Prez Ike showed it could be done when he deported 5 million in Operation Wetback.


44 posted on 04/24/2014 12:53:06 AM PDT by octex
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To: mylife; 2ndDivisionVet
Perry said, noting that that was especially the case when the United States has, in his opinion, essentially told Mexicans for 40 years, “come on over, its okay, don’t worry about breaking the law.”

So?

Did he say we need to correct that problem now by effectively closing the border and using all of our tools available to do that? Like E-Verify, shutting down all forms of economic freebies to illegal criminals, etc?

Or did he empathize or sympathize with them and state it really wasn't there fault, just like your quote from him?
45 posted on 04/24/2014 1:31:41 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: octex; mylife
Agree, mylife. I caught that on the first read. Perry is not saying he embraces amnesty, but the blame for so many illegals in the US now lies with the failure of the Feds to enforce the Immigration Laws. ......Prez Ike showed it could be done when he deported 5 million in Operation Wetback.

I'm sorry, but that is only half-right.

The blame also falls on those who actually committed the crimes, you know which crimes, right? The illegally crossing our border and all the felonious ID Fraud crimes they have committed.
46 posted on 04/24/2014 1:33:26 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: South40
I don't know who Henry is, but he needs to consult the OED on the definition of "effective."

April 4,2014:

"U.S. federal agents have uncovered two drug-smuggling tunnels underneath the U.S.-Mexico border, both surfacing in San Diego-area warehouses and equipped with rail systems for moving contraband, officials said on Friday.

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Federal law enforcement officials said the first tunnel, which connects a warehouse in Tijuana, Mexico, with one in an industrial park in the border community of Otay Mesa, is about 600 yards long and is furnished with lighting, a crude rail system and wooden trusses.

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The second tunnel was even more sophisticated, built with a multi-tiered electric rail system and an array of ventilation equipment.

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The two tunnels are the sixth and seventh cross-border passageways discovered in the San Diego area in less than four years, according to the task force.

Since 2006, federal authorities have detected at least 80 cross-border smuggling tunnels, most of them in California and Arizona,"


47 posted on 04/24/2014 1:34:21 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: SoConPubbie; mylife; 2ndDivisionVet
Did he say we need to correct that problem now by effectively closing the border and using all of our tools available to do that? Like E-Verify, shutting down all forms of economic freebies to illegal criminals, etc?

Oh wait, I forgot, Rick Perry is against fences, the usage of E-Verify, and AZ1070.

All tools that are effective in stemming the tide of the Illegal Alien Criminals (Undocumented Democrat Voters) that flow across our border
48 posted on 04/24/2014 1:36:23 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; South40
I don't know who Henry is, but he needs to consult the OED on the definition of "effective."

Well, do you know who Former US Congressmen and POTUS Candidate Duncan Hunter is?

Here is what he had to say about the proven effectiveness of border fences both here and in Israel:

Duncan Hunter: Well, I think I’ve learned one thing and that’s that fences work and the walls work and separations work and what they basically afford to any nation is the delay of entry. In fact, a number of people who have looked at the border fence, who have now supported me on the border fence in the US, have …observed the fences in Israel and their effectiveness.

So I think that the fence generally in the Israel fence program has been an effective one from a security standpoint and I think in the US the border fence in the US is no longer an immigration issue primarily; it’s a security issue.

You have to know who’s coming into this country and what they’re bringing with them. The fences, the double fence in San Diego that I led the effort on and funded over the last ten years or so, have been very effective. It’s knocked back the smuggling of people and narcotics by more than 90%, stopped all the drive-through drug people, and would be a hindrance to terrorists should they decide to come across a land border between the US and Mexico and to California.

49 posted on 04/24/2014 1:40:59 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; South40
I don't know who Henry is, but he needs to consult the OED on the definition of "effective."

Here is another article describing the effectiveness and success of the Israeli fence in stopping suicide bombers:

During the 34 months from the beginning of the violence in September 2000 until the construction of the first continuous segment of the security fence at the end of July 2003, Samaria-based terrorists carried out 73 attacks in which 293 Israelis were killed and 1950 wounded. In the 11 months between the erection of the first segment at the beginning of August 2003 and the end of June 2004, only three attacks were successful, and all three occurred in the first half of 2003.

Since construction of the fence began, the number of attacks has declined by more than 90%. The number of Israelis murdered and wounded has decreased by more than 70% and 85%, respectively, after erection of the fence.

Even the Palestinian terrorists have addmitted the fence is a deterrent. On November 11, 2006, Islamic Jihad leader Abdallah Ramadan Shalah said on Al-Manar TV the terrorist organizations had every intention of continuing suicide bombing attacks, but that their timing and the possibility of implementing them from the West Bank depended on other factors. “For example,” he said, “there is the separation fence, which is an obstacle to the resistance, and if it were not there the situation would be entirely different.”


50 posted on 04/24/2014 1:45:23 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I don't know who Henry is,

Then you should have read the article and you would. He is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. And he knows far more about fencing and its effectiveness than you or I. He did not say fences would stop tunnels; no sane person would. What he did say was that the fences are effective...and they are.

Without fences criminals are free to walk, run or drive right over the border. And that is what we have now. I'm sure those opposed to such measures have their reasoning, whatever they may be. Myself, I would rather we spend the money on fencing instead of feeding, housing and educating the ILLEGAL hordes who are allowed to enter our country because we don't have them.

51 posted on 04/24/2014 1:49:11 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: SoConPubbie
But, but, but....they still come over using tunnels. lol!

Great posts with lots of valuable information. Thanks for sharing.

52 posted on 04/24/2014 1:51:13 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: South40
Great posts with lots of valuable information. Thanks for sharing.

np.

I see the Perry Excuse Parade group is very active tonight.
53 posted on 04/24/2014 1:53:58 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
I see the Perry Excuse Parade group is very active tonight.

Yes, some still mistakenly believe their ILLEGAL alien loving governor to be a Tea Party conservative even though he has endorsed Mitch McConnell, the man who has waged a war on the Tea Party.

They were relatively silent in this thread, though.

I wonder why. :-)

54 posted on 04/24/2014 1:59:31 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: mylife

Mexicans get the government they vote for—and the government they’ll elect here once amnesty gives them enough voters to control our country.


55 posted on 04/24/2014 2:15:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SoConPubbie

272 miles of Israeli fence (440 mi. planned) versus nearly 2000 miles of U.S. fence is not a legitimate comparison. Besides the substantial difference in length, there is also a vast difference in terrain. The terrain affects not only how the fence is built but also how easily the illegals can dig under it.

As I said, eff the fence. Landmines, handgrenades, and snipers will work way better and cost way less. Shoot ‘em on sight. There’s your effective deterrent.


56 posted on 04/24/2014 2:22:37 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Perry also said he is seriously thinking about running for president....

Yeah, I know. I figured he had dyed his hair and bought Ashley Banfield glasses for a reason.

Sheesh. No thanks.

57 posted on 04/24/2014 2:25:16 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
272 miles of Israeli fence (440 mi. planned) versus nearly 2000 miles of U.S. fence is not a legitimate comparison. Besides the substantial difference in length, there is also a vast difference in terrain. The terrain affects not only how the fence is built but also how easily the illegals can dig under it.

As I said, eff the fence. Landmines, handgrenades, and snipers will work way better and cost way less. Shoot ‘em on sight. There’s your effective deterrent.


If it slows them down drastically as the fence in California has shown to do (90% effective) why are you against this approach?

Factor in the fact that the Illegals are the biggest factor in blown budgets in the red, why is it you are against it?

Your throwing up a smoke screen to protect Perry and then offer hyperbolic solutions that you know will never see the light of day or are just plain pathetic,.

Grow up!
58 posted on 04/24/2014 2:27:18 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: South40

Perhaps you should consult the OED as well.

I know plenty about fences and so does Henry’s former boss who says this about it.

“Building a physical fence along the entire border with Mexico was one of the dumbest ideas I heard when I was commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It is critical to recognize that fencing (even with barbed wire, electrification, and possibly a moat filled with alligators) is not a solution, it is only a tool. There’s a fundamental misunderstanding about what a physical barrier—even the triple-layer fencing in San Diego—actually does or doesn’t do for the agency charged with building fencing and securing the border. All it really does is buy you time where a crosser could otherwise quickly escape or assimilate. None of the fencing is impenetrable. People will eventually dig under it or cut through it or go over it, but it gives you enough time to respond and apprehend them. Some fencing makes sense tactically in areas selected by the Border Patrol, as where we deployed some 700 miles of it under my tenure, and in many of those areas it has been a tool to provide permanent impedance to deter and slow illegal entries on foot or by vehicle.

As we learned, fencing in poor soil, flood plains or sand dunes can also be more expensive than effective, in some places because of terrain challenges we decided spending more than $6 million per mile for specialized fence was not the most effective use of resources to better secure that area of border and opted for more agents and technology there instead. In areas dozens of miles from paved roads where we have time to respond to incursions or where we have natural obstacles of mountains and water that already slow, deter or reroute traffic we don’t need fence at all. Any successful strategy must rely more heavily on highly trained, dedicated law enforcement officers and better technology tools, key components of the approach we began in the last administration. Since 2001, we have more than doubled the Border Patrol, deployed highly capable manned aircraft and Unmanned Aerial Systems including the Predator aircraft, and installed fixed and mobile surveillance systems. And, the Department of Homeland Security is in the process of developing its plans to deploy additional technology capabilities along key areas of the border to enhance the effectiveness of these agents.

That strategy is working more than a fence alone would, the volume of illegal crossings on the Southwest border is down dramatically from a peak 1.6 million apprehensions in fiscal year 2000 to only about 350,000 apprehensions in 2011. While the threat of violence by drug organizations is real, average violent crime rates in cities along the U.S.-Mexico border are lower than in comparable cities elsewhere in the U.S. Despite the drug violence that has claimed thousands of lives in its sister city to the south, Ciudad Juárez, El Paso recorded only 5 murders in 2010.

As debate continues about how to best ensure our national security it is important to identify the real threats and develop realistic solutions. In the face of constrained budgets, spending billions on unnecessary fences is not viable. If the symbol of the fence in political campaigns keeps us talking about remaining border security challenges and new and creative approaches that will build on the progress to date then it’s not all bad. But if it deceives the public into believing in 2,000 miles of wall as a magic solution to the hard problems of three decades of uncontrolled immigration, the only thing being fenced is our common sense.”


59 posted on 04/24/2014 2:33:47 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: SoConPubbie

My opposition to building a fence along the entire 2000-mile border has bupkis to do with Rick Perry. I was against it long before he stepped onto the national stage.

“Grow up!”

That does it. I’m unfriending AND unfollowing you. And if you still don’t straighten up, I’m gonna leave negative feedback.

Lighten up, Francis. You’re wound way too tight about this whole Rick-Perry-and-his-Perrywinkles-are-the-Devil campaign.


60 posted on 04/24/2014 2:52:06 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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