[bereanway]

Lsnd inside state boundaries which can be owned by DC is spelled out in the enclave clause of the Constitution.

Huge swaths of land cannot be held indefinitely by the Feds for non enumerated purposes. That issue is addressed clearly and concisely and is integral to the entire constitutional scheme of state sovereignty. The Feds are constutionally hamstrung in this regard if the states want to take control back of their lands.

[1rudeboy]

Precisely why certain arguments on FR become frustrating (maybe I'm just cranky): a declarative statement was made that the Federal government "has no right to hold property." I demonstrated it to be incorrect by citing the U.S. Constitution.

If you wish to change the argument to the feds holding too much land, or for too long, then you will have to find someone who believes the opposite.

[Ben Ficklin]

"land cannot be held indefinitely by the Feds"

The feds have been holding these lands in New Mexico and Nevada since they were ceded by Mexico in 1848.

Some date back to the Louisiana Purchase in 1803

[rodguy911]

It appears in both NM and Nev. the feds, regardless of whether its BLM or Forest Service agents are using some sort of environmental crap as the excuse to get at the ranchers land.
Apparently its a war on ranchers and began in the 70’s and gained momentum in the 90’s. In Nevada at the Bundy's ranch last big ranch standing by the way, it was the tortoise. In NM its the wild-lands project used to get rid of the Laney's and many other farmers. Their only hope seems to be if they can document water rights and other rights going back years and years.
Laneys had 1,000 head of cattle and were cut back to 300 by the forestry agents. Now they will lose those 300 and then their ranch.
The local sheriff says he won't allow the cattle to be sold but little hope is seen for survival of the Diamond Bar Ranch.Just like the commies or the muslim radicals the US government is willing to wage a 30,50 or even 100 year war to get rid of its citizens and their rights.They are the ones that must go.
Actually the war is much wider than seen in these two instances.
Down here we have a war waged by the Everglades Park Service and fomented by their top guy and obama appointee.
They care cutting the areas we can navigate,boat and fish every five years by claiming that this specie or that specie might lose habitat or get hurt or the grass under the water gets hurt you name it they have an excuse.
It's never “be careful of this or that or that bird or that fish or the endangered crocodiles” its always GTFO or else.
Meanwhile in NC on the Outer Banks they are closing off the Banks as quick as possible due to bird nesting. Once again it the Nat. Park service doing the dirty work for the rabid environazis. They claim that rv’s dunebuggys,beach walkers, fishermen and picnickers are doing away with endangered birds the piping plover nesting areas.
Trouble is when they get rid of all the people the predators, foxes and coons come back and eat the birds now they have a new problem.Once again its never be careful of the birds nesting on the ground its always just get the heck out.
Its all bullshit and we have to stand up to the feds or lose our entire country.We can do it at the voting booth and when we get control of the federal budget.
Time to defund all these agencies and get rid of their sorry asses.