Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
U2 frontman Bono talks about his faith and answers the question "Who is Jesus?" in the video below. Click play to watch.
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Thank you for that list, I have added to what I already had.
So, so true, caww. Well stated. And as MarDav wrote:
it may well be time to shake the dust off here as a testimony
Indeed. It may be time for the Body of Christ on this thread to recognize this situation for what it is and let it go, refusing to be unequally yoked any longer with this unbeliever. What will happen with her, will happen, it's in the Holy Spirit's hands and always has been.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
(2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV)
>> ”A rather small handful of the population” <<
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LOL!
Only 7000 men plus their families on one occasion, and 5000 men and their families on another, and he often had to speak from a boat out in the Galilee to keep from being suffocated by the crowd.
The Pharisee scribes record that on his arrival on the temple mount, days before his crucifixion, he was followed by and greeted by millions.
Such a small handful.
How WOULD YOU think they would have recognized him...before the paradigm shift? You have an imagination and a claim of intelligence, give us your speculation as to how YOU would have recognized him.
One clue..when Christ asked his disciples “who do you say that I am”? (after getting answers to his question “who do men say that I am?) Peter said “you are the Christ, son of the Living God!” What did Christ say to Peter, as to how Peter came to that conclusion? It is the answer to your question.
It is actually the answer that needs to be revealed to and in all of us...the next question becomes one of acceptance or rejection of the answer. Many folks end up rejecting the answer when they are confronted with it and walk away...I pray that you’ll accept it.
explained wrongly
Jesus changed how they should be thinking concerning him and the law as he taught them the truth for three years...
No, actually, there's no evidence he really did. Some may have changed their minds years later when it was evident he wasn't coming back. I'd say Paul helped craft his image in later years, but during his lifetime they clearly thought he was supposed to be King of Israel, and there is a very good reason they thought that.
He opened their minds to what the OT law and Prophets really stated and meant....not as the Pharisees and Sadducee's insisted it said.
No he didn't. He was there to uphold it just as they interpreted it. He was there to unite the Jews, gather a cabinet together, enter Jerusalem triumphantly, and begin coalescing power for a political stand. However, he ran into the same problem anyone runs into when trying to unite warring factions: he got killed.
That's the first part. Why do I want to know that?
Most of that list is not prophecy for identifying the Messiah. Born in Bethlehem is, but most of the rest of the list is merely cherry-picked verses taken out of context and lined up against a years-later account that has been molded to fit as many of these isolated phrases as possible.
Those numbers sound suspiciously like what CNN reported of the Million Man march. No, he had a handful of disciples.
You’re making a bigger fool of yourself.
He would be born in Bethlehem, a descendent of the royal family of David, but not through Solomon. After that, it would just be: can he gather the following and the funds, can he unite the people and mount a rebellion. That's what they were looking for. And that's the role he stepped forward to fulfill. His disciples understood him perfectly well. They were there. It's you who has made up this whole alternate legend behind his failed attempt to free his country.
Was this lady Jewish? It would explain the circular questioning and the ham fisted attempts at the Socratic method.
Your experiment is futile. Christians are not going to find common ground with your position.
john 10:
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
We are the sheep he is referring. Your voice is one of a stranger.
The voice we hear that you don’t says the following:
14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Further, to answer your question that there is a third choice and that is the one the Jews would have known is contradicted by the last part of the verses above:
19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
Those who disagreed with Jesus thought he was insane. The others thought God has sent him. The two choices are biblical.
“Those numbers sound suspiciously like what CNN reported of the Million Man march. No, he had a handful of disciples.”
Since you question the veracity of the bible anyway..how would you know how many folks attended the sermon of the mount and his other sermons and how would you know that Editor Surveyer was wrong and you were right? You can apply 21st century (CNN based snarky progressivism) cynicism to scripture if you wish but it doesn’t mean that it can be applied accurately to documents stretching back to the first century.
As for a military messiah, it is true that Jesus will come in a military way, just that the timing was off. Christ first came to seek and save that which was lost and to gather a people for His name; but when he comes again he'll have come in great power and glory after much devastation has been wreaked upon the Earth. Israel will be established as the preeminent nation upon the Earth and the healing of all the remaining nations will begin, during the millennial reign. The world will see a venging Messiah as he puts Satan in chains! All praise to he who has inscribed on his right thigh...."Faithful and True"!
Since you doubt middle Eastern fables anyway, how would you know if caw was taking things out of context and molded to fit a years later account? Maybe he has had something revealed to him and you haven’t yet? Or worse...maybe you’ve had a taste of something special but when you delayed to respond to it, it left you?
Did you ever read Hess’s Journey to the East? It may clarify your problem for you.
from Solomon 3:1 On my bed by night
I sought him whom my soul loves;
I sought him, but found him not.
2
I will rise now and go about the city,
in the streets and in the squares;
I will seek him whom my soul loves.
I sought him, but found him not.
3
The watchmen found me
as they went about in the city.
“Have you seen him whom my soul loves?”
4
Scarcely had I passed them
when I found him whom my soul loves.
I held him, and would not let him go
until I had brought him into my mother’s house,
and into the chamber of her who conceived me.
If you find HIM ...Don’t let him go!
Don’t let this happen to you:
From Solomon 5:
2
I slept, but my heart was awake.
A sound! My beloved is knocking.
“Open to me, my sister, my love,
my dove, my perfect one,
for my head is wet with dew,
my locks with the drops of the night.”
3
I had put off my garment;
how could I put it on?
I had bathed my feet;
how could I soil them?
4
My beloved put his hand to the latch,
and my heart was thrilled within me.
5
I arose to open to my beloved,
and my hands dripped with myrrh,
my fingers with liquid myrrh,
on the handles of the bolt.
6
I opened to my beloved,
but my beloved had turned and gone.
My soul failed me when he spoke.
I sought him, but found him not;
I called him, but he gave no answer.
7
The watchmen found me
as they went about in the city;
they beat me, they bruised me,
they took away my veil,
those watchmen of the walls.
8
I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem,
if you find my beloved,
that you tell him
I am sick with love...
Don’t reject His calling, He won’t strive with one continuously!
Of course. But what I'm saying is, they knew what he was there for. It's you who doesn't.
Simply this: if he had that many supporters, they wouldn't have dared crucify him.
That's right, which is why the Gospels make such a point of showing Mary's lineage to descend from him. And why he had to deny that Joseph was his father. Descent from the cursed line would have disqualified him.
As for a military messiah, it is true that Jesus will come in a military way, just that the timing was off.
Just one big OOPS, eh?
Simple logic. Hebrew speeches like the ones in Isaiah, where the prophet is railing at the people of Israel, with all the threats and promises and reminders and exhortations... they are what they are. For some Greek hundreds of years later to decide that really, they were seeded with remarks about the man he worshipped is about as nuts as people who think Beatles songs are sending them secret messages.
Paul hitched his wagon onto the OT to make a case for his dead hero to have "really" been here for some reason entirely unrelated to his mission, but it's Hale-Bop Comet level nuts, which you would recognize if you saw it in any other context.
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