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To: JRandomFreeper

“What part of a civil dispute warrants over 200 federal agents with guns, and tasing protesters?”

When cops are faced with a riot, what do they do? They go in with force and try to keep things under control by having a LOT of control. This is a standard police action. The guy is a nutjob who believes US law doesn’t apply to him. He thinks he has the right to graze as many cattle anywhere and anytime he wants - which will destroy a desert environment. It did it before, in the early 1900s.

Want to fight about something? How about the town in Arizona that can’t restore its water lines except by hand? THAT would be a fight I would drive to and support! But a rancher who wants free forage, while every other rancher in the US pays for it? Nope. Wrong fight, wrong cause.


16 posted on 04/11/2014 11:35:27 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers

I’d expect a lot of other disgruntled ranchers then...


23 posted on 04/11/2014 11:39:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mr Rogers
The federal government has a reputation for forcing violent confrontations where it later turned out that things weren't so clear cut.

Ruby Ridge, and the government settlement of millions to Weaver jumps to mind. Weaver was a 'nut-job' according to the government and media.

Whatever the situation, the government needs to de-escalate the situation to ensure violence doesn't occur.

/johnny

27 posted on 04/11/2014 11:41:43 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mr Rogers

Meanwhile, our government turns unelected, unaccountable, unconstitutional bureaucrats into unconstitutional military-like armed police forces to conduct war against we the people. Under Marxist/fascist leaders like Obama, America is fast becoming a fascist police state.

If the bureaucrats at the BLM can get a valid eviction order from the court, then they should get the county sheriff to serve it.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 11:45:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Mr Rogers; JRandomFreeper
The guy is a nutjob who believes US law doesn’t apply to him.

What do you call those running the fedgov who ignore laws on a wholesale basis, as matter of routine, all while rewarding millions of illegal alien trespassers who break our laws?

They have zero respect for our laws and rules and they don't think US law applies to them.

How come you're so excited about this one guy and his cows in Nevada?

39 posted on 04/11/2014 11:46:52 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mr Rogers

What if the shooting does start? Think about that. I mean, really think about it. Maybe he should have submitted and paid the unjust fees like everyone else, but he didn’t. He took the risk and stood up against them. Does that make him a criminal? Remember, the government is are our servant. So what if the shooting starts? A man who isn’t a criminal will be murdered by the federal government that you would agree is tyrannical. The same government who is ignoring our borders and has given up huge chunks of Arizona to drug cartels. That government has come out in force against a cattle rancher.

I think the shooting will not start. The feds will deescalate.


50 posted on 04/11/2014 11:56:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I wouldn’t call this a riot, film I have seen shows nothing more than a few dozen protesters with nearly as many BLM agents with dogs, guns and tazers.... Hard to buy the mob argument.

This whole thing is being handled horribly on the ground, this should be a non starter, showing up with over 200 officers seems insane out of the gate.


173 posted on 04/11/2014 1:09:27 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mr Rogers

A few hundred head of cattle aren’t going to destroy a desert environment. Stupid argument.

Since these cattle have been roaming over unfenced lands for many years, the Desert tortoise has multiplied and the grasses still grow, there is no argument here.

It’s a BLM attempt to pull a Benghazi Video claim to cover up their stupidity and thuggistness.

The rancher has issues about who he has to pay grazing fees to, and he has paid the state who (if news reports are correct),actually own some or all of the land. BLM is a “ land management agency”, not a land owning agency (That would be the Dept. of Interior of which they are a part).

Under Obama, DOI/BLM,US Forest Service and Fish & Wildlife, have become more like “Good Germans” than stewards of America’s natural resources. Remember the “Monuments” closing of early this year. No reason for it. All based on lies but the head of the USFS is known among his own men as an Obama bastard.

Park Rangers were made into Obama’s “Good Germans” and many hated it. They were used and abused, but used as shields to protect Obama and his marxist nutcases from the peoples’ wrath.

The Arizona water line case is just another example of the US govt gone wild, and stupid, at the same time, but I’m being redundant. Same for the Snail Darter Fish and San Jaoquin Valley water issues.

The government of Obama doesn’t give a damn about land rights, water rights, small businesses, large businesses, property rights, or any other “Right” in the Constitution.

In fact, Obama doesn’t even recognize the “old white guys” Constitution, and has said so in couched words. Holder obviously doesn’t care about the Constitution - IRS scandal, NSA, Fast & Furious, congressional subpoenas and court orders ignored, selected prosecution of white and not of criminal blacks (New Black Panther Party), and his threat to Rep. Gomer (R-TX) of “Don’t you go there, buddy...”

I wonder what the “or else” would mean? Car accident, IRS audit, an Al THe Rat Sharpton mob at his home, A Soros-funded attack on him with false allegations of many types, etc.

Holder is an Ogletree/Cone black reparationist who doesn’t care about “white people” unless they are his asskissing toadies.

If you know this man’s background, and that of Comrade Obama, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

Obama is just waiting for some kind of violent incident to implement national gun registration and seizures, to impose martial law in certain conservative states, and to set his Saul Alinksy mobs on the warpath (with Sharpton leading the way, aided and abetted by Rev. Jesse “the adulterer” Jackson bring up his rear).

We are under a nationally coordinated Obama/Marxist Minions and Alinsky legionnaires who are attacking every institution, cultural icon, religious belief, and work ethic that made America great.

After all, what would you expect from the Marxist in Chief, his Van Jones, Valerie Jarretts, David Axelrods, Anita Dunns, and the other lunatics he has put into positions of power?

Kathleen Sebelius - the Clueless daughter of Dr. Mengele?
Janet Napolitano - Even more clueless and incompetent that Sebelius if that is humanly possible
John Kerry - a traitor
Gen. Dempsey - a coward
Secy of Navy - feminist pansy
Vilsack, Dept. of Agriculture - totally useless
Harry Reid - the biggest crook in Congress, along with Nancy the Insane Blithering Idiot Pelosi.
Dick Durbin - your soldier sons are like Nazis (tell that to my Iraq combat veteran son you stinking shitpile)
Holdren and Holden - more “spaced out” than working on space issues
Lois Lerner - The fool on the Hill, and liar par excellance
Those who faked the Benghazi Video hoax - Morrell, Rice, Clinton, Obama, etc.

I think you get the picture. Obama has declared war on a Constitutional, free enterprise America and he is not going to back down unless Americans of all types stand up to his Hugo Chavez-style communist assault.

Remember that line from “Oklahoma” -
“We belong to the land, and the land we belong to us grand”.

Not, “The land belongs to Obama and his stooges”.

There is a difference.


276 posted on 04/11/2014 4:28:41 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Mr Rogers

eat you’re green sweater.


324 posted on 04/11/2014 7:59:00 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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