Posted on 04/11/2014 10:01:47 AM PDT by lowbridge
I have spoken to some tea party chapters that stressed social issues over all others….and seen some others. This would not include any of the bigs, like Freedom Works or TPP or TPE - just some chapters here and there.
You know what, we are imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world.
There is no conservative utopia.
For you to insist on “conservative utopia or BUST” inevitably leads to bust.
Democrats are mostly godless, souless creatures living only for themselves in the here and now.
GOPe still believes in a higher power and puts country ahead of themselves. When we take power from the dems, America will not be a conservative utopia. But America will be a better place in the here and now and in the future.
Come on over and join us. We are not perfect, but we don’t care if you are not either. But America will be better when we win.
The disagreement is just around the edges….and from one of your post, I construed a bit more of a social bent to the TP in your estimation……but only slight and only in one post.
Well, we sure liked him...He gave us the dirt on a lot of stuff...including Nancy, Patti and the Ballet Dancer.
The GOPe can KMA!!
“Tea Party candidates better get to these schools or they will be crushed like any noob.”
I play a lot of sports. And in most sports the uncoached more athletic person gets crushed everytime by the well coached, experienced but less athletic player.
“”some social ONLY conservatives want to claim the TP as a social issue movement, and that is also wrong.””
“”I have spoken to some tea party chapters that stressed social issues over all others….and seen some others.””
If that is the case, then that IS the tea party, I got the impression that you were saying that some outside conservatives were trying to inaccurately portray the tea party, by the way, would those tea parties where you saw that, have local issues/or electorate that they were dealing with?
My portrayal of the tea party is accurate and backed up by the polling.
I bring it up occasionally because there is a frequent effort to try and portray the tea party as libertarian, or social liberal, and even non-Christian, instead of the reality of it being MORE Christian than republicans.
Libertarians are always trying to reverse the facts of voting, and who the limited government, pro-liberty, voters actually are.
“I like Paul and Cruz, and would vote for either of them. But, I don’t see where either has a track record of making their ideas law.”
Because Senators cant make their ideas law. Thank your lucky stars that the Constitution makes it hard for not only us but for the other side too.
HOLD ON
You see the articles in FR alluding to the Iranian envoy not being allowed to get in the USA?
THAT’S Cruz’s work!
Cruz sponsored a bill that PASSED Harry Reid’s senate UNANIMOUSLY! When did Reagan do that?
It’s all out there, all you have to do is find it.
So much for “Cruz never passed any legislation”
BTW - how many cases did Reagan argue in front of the Supreme Court.......and how many did he win?
ZERO!
Be careful when knocking Cruz. Just do some research first. That’s all I ask.
I listened to Mike when he first started in San Diego in the (early?) 90s.
It didn’t take long to realize that he wasn’t honest, if you listen to him and are well informed, you learn that he just talks, and while you may like the tone, you do not want to risk quoting his “facts”, he abuses truth and makes up facts, to fit an overall presentation.
He isn’t involved or committed, he is just trying to make a living off his name and his center right political leanings.
We cannot get caught up in this type of offense. The Tea Party is a movement and it’s going to take a lot of zingers. Michael Reagan may carry some extra weight with the left because of his last name ,,but don’t get caught up in that.
We can take criticism. BFD! BUT,,,,when you turn it into attacks on our good guys (like Cruz and Lee),,then you are taking it to a whole new level.
Stop It!
Shameful and ignorant column.
I will stay true to my principles instead of following crowds down the wrong path
Which consultants told Jane Norton to bring in John McCain to campaign for her?
Christine’s coup helped kill the Dream Act in 2010 that Castle voted for.
On another site the title is:
The Talk Radio Party: GOP needs candidates who sound like senators, not tea party ‘kooks’
Elsewhere it's:
Tea Party Must Keep Out the Kooks
Please don't just respond to the inflammatory headline and ignore the substance of the article.
“You see the articles in FR alluding to the Iranian envoy not being allowed to get in the USA?
THAT’S Cruz’s work!”
It also wasn’t the hardest thing to get support on.
It shouldn’t have taken much skill to not do an interview with Charles Jaco.
Was he paid?
While I don’t nessesarily agree with your statement fully, there is a good point that you are making.
We, as a website community, have a tendancy to develop a “conservative” orthodoxy that is stringent enough to offend none of our core issues. Almost any candidate or public office holder eventually makes a statement or holds a position that is contrary to one of these core tenants.
Often we ignore the personal nuance or situation that prompted the supposed transgression and we take the position the so-and-so is “now dead to me” — a senseless over reaction.
I will give you one example. Solid conservative congressman Trey Gowdy. Who hasn’t been thrilled by his committee performance? Often the only dog in the fight that is truely effective.
As a former prosecutor, Gowdy decided that children of illegal immigrants should not be treated the same as their parents and, in-part, joined the immigration debate as a compromiser and not a rock solid opponent.
IF we want a man with principles, they naturally have to be HIS principles. Principles are developed over a lifetime and make a person the truely good or poor person that they are that make them recognizable and worthwhile or worthless.
You can have a rock solid guy who says all the right things but can’t inspire voters. Rick Santorum is an example. However, a truely inspiration person like Cruz, Gowdy, Pence or someone else like that is going to have a wart or two. Reagan had that as Governor of California coming to the national stage.
We cannot let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good and Great.
Oh I agree - and would only say this: as a Tea Party type guy and a Christian, I do not look at the TP as a movement of social issues - even though I personally believe in those issues. It’s like when I’m at a hockey game…I’m still a basketball fan, but at the hockey game, I’m focused on hockey, not basketball.
Clumsy analogy, but accurate.
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