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Dear Anti-Vaxxers: You Want Pure Nature? OK, Die Young.
Time ^ | April 2 | Jeffrey Kluger

Posted on 04/06/2014 9:06:58 AM PDT by Hojczyk

None of the New York parents who are refusing to vaccinate their children today were around the city in the summer of 1916, which is good for them and good for any of the kids they might have had. It was in that summer that 27,000 children nationwide were struck by a polio outbreak, 9,300 of them in New York. Of those 9,300 victims, 2,700 died. The Salk family at 116th St. and Madison Ave. escaped the scourge, meaning that their two-year-old son Jonas was spared. History notes that when he grew up, he had a little score-settling to do with the poliovirus.

Parents who oppose vaccines are not only misinformed, they’re spoiled, having grown up in a world that stands behind the berms built by the scientists and vaccine developers who came before them. If you’ve never seen measles — or polio or whooping cough or mumps — you have the luxury of believing they don’t exist.

“We live in a very healthy community,” said one of the sublimely glib doctors cited in the Mother Jones story. “The incidence of these diseases are very low, not only here but nationwide. And so it’s safe to do a modified vaccine schedule, in my opinion.”

But the incidence of these diseases is very low precisely because most doctors and parents don’t think the way you do and do vaccinate on schedule. “We live in a very dry community,” the doctor might as well have said. “So it’s safe not to maintain the levees and flood walls that have protected us until now, in my opinion.”

And so you drown; and so unvaccinated children get sick. The words “in my opinion” are not themselves some kind of rhetorical vaccine. They can, instead, be the pathogen. Like all pathogens, they can kill.

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To: little jeremiah

Actually the CDC head who ‘discovered’ the 35k+ ‘flu deaths’ that had been happening every year for decades (how did they miss them for decades?) in the exact same year that Merck’s patent for their blockbuster statin went off patent AND they had significant financial legal issues with VIOXX was named Julie Gerberding. She’s now head of Merck’s vaccine division.


41 posted on 04/06/2014 10:12:12 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Valpal1

Several countries have rescinded the recommendation for HPV. The lastest is Japan. I’m sure all those MD/PhD’s in the Japanese ministry of Health would get a kick out of being called Jenny McCarthy:

http://www.tokyotimes.com/2013/hpv-vaccine-seen-differently-by-japan-and-the-u-s/


42 posted on 04/06/2014 10:14:24 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: TMSuchman

No, you do not need to go on. And since you’re eschewing modern medicine, next time you or your family falls ill. . .go looking for leeches.

Because you’re not welcome in my E.R. or hospital. . .


43 posted on 04/06/2014 10:15:17 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: PrairieLady2

Yeah, polio is such a bother today because vaccines don’t work. Really? You buy that stupid conclusion?


44 posted on 04/06/2014 10:15:50 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Hojczyk

My problem was not with the vaccines themselves but the schedule. My daughter is fully vaccinated. We just spread them out. We worked the schedule out with our pediatrician. She received 1 vaccine at a time. That way, if there was a reaction, we’d know what it was from. The original schedule (8 yrs ago) was up to 4 shots at a time. If there was a reaction, how’d you know which vaccine caused it?


45 posted on 04/06/2014 10:16:58 AM PDT by jodster36
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To: CodeToad

The biggest issue I have with vaccines today is that they and their constituent parts are manufactured in China and India. And the FDA has stated several times it isn’t responsible for inspecting all or even any of those ingredients/vaccines prior to their being used on the citizenry.

Moreover, the vaccine manufacturers are indemnified completely from any ill effects of vaccines. So they aren’t going to be testing those lots either.

Who the hell knows what was in this years flu vaccine besides the necessary ingredients. Or even IF the necessary ingredients were in there...


46 posted on 04/06/2014 10:18:50 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

That, we agree. Quality of those made overseas is a problem.


47 posted on 04/06/2014 10:20:42 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Marie

On autism, because it’s a spectrum disorder (large range of variability and severity), I think it has both a genetic component and an environmental component. My current self educated guess is that it’s a combination of increased parent age (of both mothers and fathers), genetic susceptibility and a component of stress during pregnancy and possibly also fetal distress during delivery. I’ve been following the research on oxytocin research and therapy and think it looks very promising. I also think that it is very politically incorrect to point out that the feminist ideals of career first, children last may be a contributor to epidemic.

As for T1D, I haven’t studied that one much yet, but I would like to see demographic studies. Is it a general population wide increase or is concentrated more in some populations than others. I would expect diet and lifestyle plays a very strong role in this disease.


48 posted on 04/06/2014 10:23:10 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: CodeToad

They began sourcing ingredients there roughly around the time the autism epidemic began.

Cogitate on that for a moment...


49 posted on 04/06/2014 10:25:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Hojczyk

Let’s be clear here: pro-vaccine people do NOT want everyone to be vaccinated.

What they want is for the government to be able to force unvaccinated adults out of their jobs and schools, and send SWAT teams after unvaccinated children.

There is a BIG difference.


50 posted on 04/06/2014 10:28:57 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Valpal1

“My current self educated guess is that it’s a combination of increased parent age (of both mothers and fathers)”

Ever done any family tree research?

You realize that prior to the mid 20th century that unless women died in the first or second childbirth or some ‘accident’ (fire, snakebite, infection) they continued to have kids until the kids stopped showing up? And for most women you’ll find in your family tree this was sometime in early/mid 40’s. Right? The idea that kids were only had in pairs by women in their 20’s is a brand new one in human evolution. ‘Older mothers’ were the norm.


51 posted on 04/06/2014 10:30:58 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: sagar

I thought your vaccines protected you from diseases.

Why would you care about unvaccinated people, unless your vaccines don’t work?

And if they don’t work, why take them, and why try to force them on everyone else?


52 posted on 04/06/2014 10:35:17 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Black Agnes

Funny thing - a few years ago I saw the list of actual flu deaths from the CDC on the American Lung Association website, for ten years. It went from around 600 to 800 up to a high of around 1200 flu deaths a year. Oddly, that info is no longer to be found.

The 35K deaths a year is pure made up nonsense. Then in 2009 with the new swine flu strain which really was much worse than regularly flu, many people did not take it seriously because of the CDC’s fake number of flu deaths.

Now they’ve come down off the 35K number to, last I read, 25K, but it’s still b.s.


53 posted on 04/06/2014 10:38:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Black Agnes

54 posted on 04/06/2014 10:38:48 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Seruzawa

It’s not so much a case of no benefit as it is a gamble. Perhaps the flu strains that are projected for a fall/winter season will be the common strains, and match with the prescribed vaccine, and again, perhaps not. That was the big deal with the Swine Flu, the projections were off. So, in short the flu isn’t without benefit., it’s an educated guess at which kind of vaccine will work. Even the doctors also warn you about the reality that the vaccine isn’t a license to throw away common sense regarding hygiene.


55 posted on 04/06/2014 10:39:16 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: little jeremiah

Their current stats count in most pneumonia deaths as flu deaths regardless of the ‘cause’ of pneumonia. I actually have gotten pneumonia from seasonal allergies. Had I died, that would have ended up a flu death stat.


56 posted on 04/06/2014 10:39:21 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

There’s a far more interesting graph that tracks autism incidence vs. glyphosate (roundup) use.


57 posted on 04/06/2014 10:40:10 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

I’ll be honest, my husband and all four children are wart prone. I’ve never had a wart in my life, yet was constantly dragging the kids in to have warts removed.

It seems pretty clear to me that they inherited an immune system weakness to wart viruses. Strangely, my girls haven’t had warts in their teen years (and are hpv immunized), but the boys still have problems. I’m seriously considering getting them vaccinated to see if it helps. Could be coincidence, but maybe it primes the immune system against wart viruses in general.

http://www.podiatrytoday.com/blogged/can-hpv-vaccines-cervical-cancer-have-effect-plantar-verruca


58 posted on 04/06/2014 10:40:50 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

So essentially you are saying that lack of exposure to the inorganic is making someone weaker?


59 posted on 04/06/2014 10:40:51 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Hojczyk

I’m not yet at the point of wishing polio or pertussis in the families of fanatic antivaxxers (those who oppose vaccination in general, not just the currently used schedules) - but I’m getting closer to that point every day.


60 posted on 04/06/2014 10:40:56 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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