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Iraq Combat Veteran Kills 3 and Injures 16 (liberals media blames "Bush Wars" on nutcase shooter)
http://www.nydailynews.com/ ^ | April 2, 2014 | New York Daily News

Posted on 04/03/2014 5:17:40 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

A soldier suffering from emotional problems and dressed in combat fatigues opened fire Wednesday at Fort Hood, killing three people in a flash of violence that brought back memories of the 2009 mass shooting that left 13 dead at the Army base in Texas.

The gunman eventually killed himself, ending the carnage first reported about 4:30 p.m. But at least 16 people were wounded, four critically, in his mad rampage.

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, identified the shooter as Ivan Lopez, 34. He served in Iraq for four months in 2011 and had transferred from an unnamed Texas military base to Fort Hood in February for mental health evaluation and treatment, fort commander Lt. Gen. Mark Milley said in a news conference Wednesday night.

Lopez, who was married, was being examined to determine if he suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, Milley said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: forthood; ivanlopez
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To: mj1234

See post 36.


41 posted on 04/03/2014 6:08:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: smokingfrog

Exactly. In fact, his mental issues most likely did not have anything to do with Iraq based just on the odds.


42 posted on 04/03/2014 6:11:11 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: TADSLOS

Well that is what I would like to know. We may eventually learn the reason. My son is deployed for 9 months.


43 posted on 04/03/2014 6:12:55 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Mine also. Currently at Kandahar.


44 posted on 04/03/2014 6:14:56 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Albion Wilde
That sounds about right. In my area average response time is somewhere around 9 to 12 minutes for a code 3 call. (lights and sirens) Since I live out a little bit more rural I'm sure I'm closer to 15 or 20 min. That's why there is a loaded weapon literally within arms reach at all times. I am responsible for my security and my family's safety. I know the Sheriff's department would never make it here in time to matter.

It is criminal, just plain criminal that our trained and trusted military personnel are denied the ability to effectively defend themselves in a timely fashion. This BS has to end, now. Hey libtards, stop treating them (heck all of us) like children and show some respect.

45 posted on 04/03/2014 6:16:35 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: elpadre

Used to be 120 days got you the short tour credit

John Effin Kerry served 120 days in Vietnam
what a coinky dink


46 posted on 04/03/2014 6:17:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: NKP_Vet

There was a push not long ago for veterans who were even thought to suffer from PTSD to have their weapons confiscated until they were signed off on NOT to be a threat.

Look for that push to reignite today because of this shooting.


47 posted on 04/03/2014 6:20:19 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: WayneS

My son is going into the service. I’m going to tell him he had better seek off base housing so he can be armed when on his own time. He is trained and practiced in handling all kinds of firearms - handguns (both revolver and pistol), rifles (lever, bolt, AR-style), and pump shotguns. I’d rather he rely on his own skills than the chance appearance of security forces...


48 posted on 04/03/2014 6:20:34 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
I agreee but I wonder what kind of chemical treatment he had received in childhood for that catch all Attention Deficite Syndrome? Placed under stress but off the meds; how many mental switches does that short out?

I would look real close at all medications he's taken in the past 90 days especially antidepressants. To a very low percentage of the population it's like giving a person LSD. Doctors usually either do not know of that risk or consider it rubbish. Antidepressants are usually the first thing shrinks write. See you in three months.

Now in a round about way you are on to something. ADD/ADHD more often than not is a neurological impairment involving sensory processing. Persons with Neurological impairments are more prone to adverse reactions to antidepressants and this has been known for quite a while but ignored.

49 posted on 04/03/2014 6:20:45 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Albion Wilde

The modern explosives are so powerful that they can cause brain bruising or brain bleeding in bystanders 1/4 mile away from the blast.


That was the original thought in WWI and that is why it was called shell shock then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_shock

Note the following:
At the same time an alternative view developed describing shell shock as an emotional, rather than a physical, injury. Evidence for this point of view was provided by the fact that an increasing proportion of men suffering shell shock symptoms had not been exposed to artillery fire. Since the symptoms appeared in men who had no proximity to an exploding shell, the physical explanation was clearly unsatisfactory.[4]


50 posted on 04/03/2014 6:28:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: ThunderSleeps
Hey libtards, stop treating them (heck all of us) like children and show some respect.

Viewing everyone but the elites as children incapable of making good decisions is the very basis of Nanny-Statism. And the polar opposite of the premises of our Constitution.

51 posted on 04/03/2014 6:29:34 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: PeterPrinciple

George Carlin on “Shell Shock”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSp8IyaKCs0


52 posted on 04/03/2014 6:30:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jagusafr

What really gets me is that no one ever asks “If the soldiers cannot be trusted with weapons, why are they ‘in the military’ to begin with? Why can they be trusted ‘over there’ but not here? Does this not imply inherent racism? Do we not value the lives of our allies from other countries?”

Why not recruit trustworthy people?

Now of course I know that the vast majority are 100% trustworthy. My point is that no one EVER makes the above an issue when addressing the military no gun policy in the media. Seems pretty obvious to me.


53 posted on 04/03/2014 6:30:30 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: NKP_Vet

The drugs prescribed for “depression” and stress disorders often have bad side effects and make the twenty something person worse.

They take them because that is all the help they can get and they know that something is wrong with their mental outlook.

Church and counseling is non-PC and too costly for the latter.


54 posted on 04/03/2014 6:31:00 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Which of us volunteered at Walter Reed for 7 years?


55 posted on 04/03/2014 6:34:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Traumatic Brain Injury
56 posted on 04/03/2014 6:38:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Marie Antoinette

That is what I was thinking, that 4 months would not have been a normal deployment. Also, it seems that he must have re-upped (maybe multiple times?), as I think the standard Army enlistment is 3 years. I am surprised they continued him (during 0bama’s regime?), if he had ongoing mental health issues.


57 posted on 04/03/2014 6:39:42 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: mj1234
I can one-up you. My Brother in Law was a teacher, but he was fired for insubordination to the principal. He claims he was terminated illegally because he was "sick" - he has PTSD brought on by the collective bargaining changes made in WI by Scott Walker!

I wish I could say it was a joke, but it's not. He's basically sitting on his @ss back at my in-laws' working on his lawsuit and waiting until he's 55 and can collect his pension.

58 posted on 04/03/2014 6:39:54 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Enemies Beware: Obama has a phone and a # and he knows how to use them.)
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To: Albion Wilde

I know of several Marines, who served in Iraq. They never were in a physical combat situation, but their camps were shelled 24/7 for months on end, and leaving the base for missions was clearly extremely stressful. I have to believe those conditions could lead to PTSD.


59 posted on 04/03/2014 6:44:13 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Albion Wilde
.The modern explosives are so powerful that they can cause brain bruising or brain bleeding in bystanders 1/4 mile away from the blast. That is why we have a lot of guys returning with TBI (traumatic brain injury). This related DailyNews article erred when it said:,

It could also cause Vestibular {Inner Ear} related injury. Vestibular Damage is a major cause of Anxiety Disorder in that case anxiety and even related PTSD being a secondary condition caused by the primary. You do not give them antidepressants.

60 posted on 04/03/2014 6:51:40 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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