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I know many freepers are vehemently anti-epa. I think Congress simply needs to put checks and balances on the EPA to keep it from being abusive.

This article outlines a new abusive method to stop mining from ever even entering a permitting process.

The fact that there are over 60 permits required by various local/state/Federal agencies and a 7 to 10 year process to open a mine is ridiculous.

1 posted on 03/31/2014 7:22:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Environmental protection is legitimately a police power of the States. And every state has an environmental agency.

The federal EPA needs to be disbanded. It's federal government overreach into States powers.

/johnny

2 posted on 03/31/2014 7:25:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN

imagine eating only grubs and berries, living in a mud hut, wearing feathers, and singing “Ain’t this just a paradise ?”

that’s what these Aholes have in mind for us.....IF WE ALLOW IT !


3 posted on 03/31/2014 7:26:13 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: DannyTN

The EPA is the fourth branch of government.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 7:27:31 PM PDT by umgud
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To: DannyTN
When the EPA was created, smog blotted out the sun, rivers were catching on fire, and the bald eagle was just about extinct. People were rightly concerned about these things and wanted something done. Today, they have gone far beyond that charter. They are staffed by zealots who have declared war on the Industrial Revolution. A good reining in and cleaning out is in order.
8 posted on 03/31/2014 7:33:47 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: DannyTN
The dirty little secret of the EPA is that many (probably most) of its policy decisions have nothing to do with protecting the environment. In a case like this, you'll probably find that some industry that produces alternative materials to copper has lobbied heavily in Washington to get these stupid regulations in place.

Another good example of this is the Keystone XL pipeline issue. The Obama administration isn't opposed to Keystone XL on environmental grounds. It's blocking the construction of the pipeline because the railroad industry (including the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad, which is wholly owned by Warren Buffett) is moving crude oil all over North America.

10 posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:46 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: DannyTN

The Rats won’t be in power forever.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 7:35:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: DannyTN

The leadership of the EPA, for the most part, esp. the political appointees, are beyond salvaging. Honest employees are lower down on the food chain.

Carol Browner - socialist, International Socialists organization
Lisa Jackson (just resigned recently), Browner’s protege’ and rabid marxist
Gina McCarthy- present EPA administrator. I’m afraid of her. Very extreme and possibly a back alley fighter.

There are some very good EPA programs and some that are designed by marxists to cripple our economic system in the name of snail darter fish. There are also some leftist judges who are helping them.

Meanwhile people can’t get jobs, the Red China have a vise on our nuts vis-a-vis “rare earth” minerals necessary for national defense, among other things, and Russia will probably make another attempt to become the number one supplier of Gold and some other precious metals badly needed by the electronics industry, among others.

Some environmental groups are legit; some are far-left marxists and eco-wackos. The Left opposes everything no matter how good or bad it is. Their goal is to destroy our economy, not improve it. Sierra Club has gone far left. Natural Resources Defense Fund has always been left. Same with EarthWatch, Environmental Action Fund/Foundation, and elements within the National Wildlife Federation (which my wife once worked for). The Center for Biological Diversity is the arch-type of the “neo-progressives” organization - well funded, educated staff (not necessarily smart staff), and dedicated to “environment uber alles”.

You’d be surprised at how many leftist groups there are concerning the environment. They Left got smart in the late 80’s/early 90’s. They seized on the “Green Movement” and got control of a significant portion of it, and the foundations money that came with it.

We are talking tens of millions of dollars, or more. They are a well funded marxist/progressive/liberal army, like the jungle ants of Brazil, marching over everything in their way.

The EPA is both their friend and their enemy, but they often sue the EPA in order to get “friendly decisions” in which they are paid large settlement accounts including attorneys’ fees. Big scam operation which needs immediate House congressional hearings.

Congress is NOT going to “put checks and balances on the EPA” until it recognizes that the EPA is the “enemy” of our economic system, not necessarily the savior of it.

Defunding some of its operations will partially cripple it. Investigations might expose the marxist principles its leaders follow. Only “regime change” at the White House level is going to “reform” the EPA by cleaning out the reds and putting in some rational scientists who can balance the environment and the economy.

Don’t hold you hat for that day to come soon. Nov. 2014 elections might be the start of EPA reform but Nov. 2016 is the big enchilada, winner take all.

40,000 people or more out of work in the San Joaquin Valley farming mecca because the EPA and California reds won’t give them water while the snail darter fish is held up as a god to be worshipped by the GAIA for Lunch Bunch.


14 posted on 03/31/2014 7:39:31 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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This is an example of what the socialist, grievance industry has done to domestic mining projects. This mine could have settled the problem of imported copper and provide 5,000 jobs eventually. I'm following this in part because this is the town I was born in and the mine I first went to work in at age 18. It was a good start that is no longer available to entry level and skilled workers alike. What the hell, ain't welfare grand. Not so tiring anyhow.
15 posted on 03/31/2014 7:40:41 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: DannyTN
EVERYTHING obama does either:
a) Weakens America/Americans
b) Distances America's allies
c) Strengthens America's enemies
d) Serves Islam
e) Harms Israel
Or some combination of the above.
I have yet to have anyone raise a single substantive counter example in several years of posting this.

a, c...

16 posted on 03/31/2014 7:41:47 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: DannyTN

So instead of mining and using our own resources, we prohibit it’s extraction or ship it off elsewhere (like our oil and coal)?


17 posted on 03/31/2014 7:43:37 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: DannyTN
Another high demand natural resource that the global left wants to keep in the ground until the constitutional United States collapses. Then the global left will exploit the resources for their own benefit.

-PJ

19 posted on 03/31/2014 7:46:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: DannyTN

“Brother, you asked for it!”


20 posted on 03/31/2014 7:46:59 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: DannyTN

It’s not the environment.

It’s about destroying the American economy.


25 posted on 03/31/2014 8:01:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: DannyTN

Those of us who are real environmentalists want clean air and water. And I expect government at some level to enforce standards so offenders are not able to dump ridiculous amounts of pollutants into the air and water. So I don’t fall into the camp of anything goes. I’ll let others quibble over where the function exists.

Unfortunately the environmentalist movement was hijacked long ago by kooks. The current EPA is out of control and now just contains leftist political hacks. It needs to be stopped.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 8:27:14 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: DannyTN

If you can’t grow it or harvest it you must mine it.

Too bad our “leaders” don’t know that.


31 posted on 03/31/2014 8:36:39 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: DannyTN

Wonder how the miners at Silver City NM will feel as they voted for the “O”.


43 posted on 03/31/2014 9:42:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: DannyTN
This article seems to be something of a newish trend on FR - posting articles from past years.

The proposed mine is in the Bristol Bay, Alaska watershed - while that means virtually nothing to most FRers, the watershed is the home of the last remaining largest run of Sockeye (Red) salmon in the world - the largest was the Columbia River run which was destroyed by the Columbia River dams in the 1940s - the only people to protest and predict the outcome were the commercial fishermen who caught the salmon. Today, millions of Federal tax dollars are spent on a semi-fruitless effort to barge the remaining fry around those same dams and to create bypasses to allow adults to get up river.

No matter what some mining company proposes to prevent highly toxic waste water spills, or what permits it obtains will guarantee that no spill will occur. One small accidental spill would be enough to decimate the runs to the rivers.

As a former commercial fisherman who fished Bristol Bay, I can testify that any mine in the watershed would spell the end of its lucrative salmon fishery. The land is very fragile and in a very geologically active area. So would you chose the destruction of the salmon runs, the destruction of an historic and lucrative fishery over the production of copper?

Keep in mind while you decide that the most productive farmland in the US has either now been paved over - New Jersey, Washington State, and lately the man-made drought in the San Joaquin Valley, CA, the third largest Sockeye run to the Frazier River, Vancouver, Canada destroyed by a landslide while building a railroad (that run was recovered by the financial sacrifice of US and Canadian commercial Sockeye fisherman over 50 years - something that would not happen today in the same situation),

Is the production of minerals more important than the access to cheap, healthy food? The food on your grocer's shelves does not grow in cans nor appear fully formed in packages. Is your preference to eat food grown or caught in China or some other country? Does crunching down on copper ore give you a satisfying meal?

48 posted on 04/01/2014 4:50:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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