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Ukraine's Vitali Klitschko pulls out of presidential race
CNN ^ | March 29, 2014 | Louise Gumuchian and Victoria Butenko,

Posted on 03/29/2014 9:54:48 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: dfwgator
Beats Detroit.

Yeah, but Detroit keeps it's Republican right arm tied behind it's back.

41 posted on 03/29/2014 3:16:56 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Interesting chart....looks like Europe/Nato has more than been dragging it's feet on defending their areas of responsibility....

Also note Ukraine...$5,038 growth???

And just for a note, I read during Libya war the EU supposedly ran out of bombs and had to depend on ours..as well as refueling their jets.


42 posted on 03/29/2014 3:18:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

The upside of US military spending are the cool new uniforms and patches we will have when we are fighting for the Caliphate.


43 posted on 03/29/2014 3:23:00 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Mount Athos

Granted, there’s extremists in every movement, including those who were protesting in Kiev. There’s a definite imperialist trend towards reconsolidating land back to Russia. They claim it’s for security and stability, but they are definitely regaining lost soviet territories.


44 posted on 03/29/2014 3:59:49 PM PDT by FBD
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To: caww

Nice pictures. Russia plays the role of anti-imperialist, defenders of the poor countries, but they’re every bit as imperialist as the USA has ever been.


45 posted on 03/29/2014 4:05:36 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Navy Patriot

On Lincoln, we agree. I would only add that almost all politicians by nature, are opportunistic sociopaths, whose numbers of victims only vary between hundreds,thousands, and millions because of hap and circumstance.


46 posted on 03/29/2014 4:11:24 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Navy Patriot

As an example of why I think Lincoln was every bit as power hungry and dangerous as any Soviet leader, here are quotes from the man Lincoln put in charge of killing Southerners. (Surely Lincoln was well aware of these statements made by Sherman)

“The young bloods of the South; sons of planters, lawyers about towns, good billiard players and sportsmen, men who never did any work and never will. War suits them. They are splendid riders, first rate shots and utterly reckless. These men must all be killed or employed by us before we can hope for peace....”Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

“The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous...” -Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

“Look to the South and you who went with us through that land can best say if they have not been fearfully punished. Mourning is in every household, desolation written in broad characters across the whole face of their country, cities in ashes and fields laid waste, their commerce gone, their system of labor annihilated and destroyed. Ruin and poverty and distress everywhere, and now pestilence adding to the very cap sheaf of their stack of misery...Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, the man who left a 60 mile wide, 300 mile long path of death and desolation across GA and up through SC.
I have destroyed over 2,000 barns filled with wheat, hay and farming implements; over 70 mills filled with flour and wheat, and have driven in front of the Army over 4,000 head of stock and have killed and issued to the troops not less than 3,000 sheep.

Tomorrow I will continue the destruction down to Fisher’s Mill. When this is completed, the Valley from Winchester to Staunton, 92 miles, will have but little in it for man or beast.”..from an Oct. 7, 1864 report to Gen. Grant from Gen. Sheridan.


47 posted on 03/29/2014 4:20:43 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD
On Lincoln, we agree. I would only add that almost all politicians by nature, are opportunistic sociopaths,...

I would exclude Ronald Reagan, but I cannot reasonably dispute your point.

Now that you obviously look on Lincoln form an American point of view, can you look on Putin from a Russian point of view?

48 posted on 03/29/2014 4:31:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: FBD
"These men must all be killed or employed by us before we can hope for peace...." Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

Certainly, This is exactly how crony capitalists (Fascists) punish agricultural states that refuse their rule and offer to sell their produce directly to their competitors in Europe.

49 posted on 03/29/2014 4:42:32 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: FBD

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50 posted on 03/29/2014 4:43:39 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Hmm. Are you saying that most Russians want to annex the lost Soviet states? I'm not sure of the popularity that Putin enjoys in Russia?... I've read that quite a few Russians are actually opposed to what's going on with his cronyism. We do know that the Russian media is again being controlled by the Kremlin, and that's a result of Putin.
Btw, agree with you also, as to Ronaldo Magnus Reagan. He was a good man and president. :-)
51 posted on 03/29/2014 4:46:46 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD
Are you saying that most Russians want to annex the lost Soviet states?

Did I say that? I don't seem to be able to find it.

I'm not sure of the popularity that Putin enjoys in Russia?...

That's close to what I asked you.

According to Russian sources, Putin's popularity is about 80% at the moment, and over 60% would vote for him for President, tomorrow.

We do know that the Russian media is again being controlled by the Kremlin, and that's a result of Putin.

We do also know that the Western MSM is being controlled by the leftist Progressive DemoRats, and has been for a half century, and that they cover for leftists, hate Putin, and that's a result of willing cooperation with Socialists. Don't give me this crap that Western Media is not as much propaganda against Putin as Russian Media is for Putin.

Putin's overall popularity in Russia far exceeds Obama's overall popularity in America.

52 posted on 03/29/2014 5:32:25 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: FBD

Indeed, Russia was an Empire but it works in a different way than any other known Empire which is usually about to make a metropolis profit off it’s colonies. Russian Empire was always about security and buffer zones. They haven’t earned a dime from their colonies but actually spent a lot to keep them. I guess average Ivan is doing much better now, as far as he is not supporting welfare state in East Germany, Vietnam and Ukraine.


53 posted on 03/30/2014 5:02:44 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Navy Patriot

Better than Yulia Timoshenko. My Ukrainian friends call her “Baba Yaga no 1”.


54 posted on 03/30/2014 5:06:51 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: wetphoenix
Wow...... a Freeper that understands. The post is worth repeating.

-----Indeed, Russia was an Empire but it works in a different way than any other known Empire which is usually about to make a metropolis profit off it’s colonies. Russian Empire was always about security and buffer zones. They haven’t earned a dime from their colonies but actually spent a lot to keep them. I guess average Ivan is doing much better now, as far as he is not supporting welfare state in East Germany, Vietnam and Ukraine.-----

55 posted on 03/30/2014 5:08:17 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: wetphoenix; bert
Russian Empire was always about security and buffer zones.

Bingo.

56 posted on 03/30/2014 5:37:40 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: dfwgator
Actually when you consider the fall of the USSR and how far it's come it's really quite striking.

I listened to a debate last night in Europe on if Putin is good for Russia. Those who lived there and well familiar with could site mega advances Putin has done for the nation.....

..Had Putin not established a oil stabilization fund for down turns the nation would have taken a serious nosedive.
..He paid off Russia's national debt.
..Crime lessened.
..Russia has a middle class where once impossible to even imagine.
..Rose all Pensioners above poverty level where they had been for years.
..A huge difference in living standards all around.
..in 1999 wages were just 40-50....now 400 to 500.
..Putin reformed banking to comply with Int’l. standards also.
..Tax reform...and trade, foreign exchange etc.

For Russian who had 1000 years of suppression and poverty....to them they are more free and more secure today then throughout their history.....we cannot compare them to our life or Europe's....but to their own history.

Amazing was the debate team, who spoke against Putin, both had been kicked out of Russia...and liberal/progressive environmentalists to the core. I think the one was a dike. They had little more than social arguments and no evidence that wasn't debunked.

Russia today has changed dramatically from the Communist Russia of old.....it looks to me their problems, as all nations have, aren't much different than any other nation...and I'm stunned often why it is Putin's expected to have higher standards for his country then the rest of the world by International Leaders.....to be true...in some respects his standards are higher. But that's certainly open for opinion by what standards each nation considers significant.

57 posted on 03/30/2014 12:08:09 PM PDT by caww
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To: FBD

It’s really hard to understand why the US and Europe make such an issue over anything Putin says or does..and generally negative regardless what he’s accomplished for Russia....the very things they accuse Putin of they themselves do or don’t do....and use and abuse.

Politics, no matter what country..is “Dirty Business”....and IMO played according to the revenue, and power, and blackmail each has on or over the other. It’s as much a racket as the Mafia...and even they get involved. .....and that goes for the media they own and use.


58 posted on 03/30/2014 12:18:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

~..in 1999 wages were just 40-50....now 400 to 500.~

In fact Chinese blue collars are paid some $700-900 monthly these days. Consider a huge difference in living costs comparing it to the West.

As for Russia take McDonald’s burger flipper as an entry level job example and it is up to 153 rubles per hour for Moscow or St.Pete and 130 rubles for any other city with a population over 1 million people. At least that were rates for late 2013. A ruble was 32 to 1 dollar at the time. Go figure. Note, in Russia employers are considered a tax and social security agents for their workforce so the wages above are ‘clean’ - after taxes, health insurance and pension payments.


59 posted on 03/31/2014 4:13:49 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix
Hold on now. Cronyism is alive and well in Russia. They've been taking public lands and giving them to their buddies to build private estates. Gazprom awarded contracts with Ukrainian natural gas and gave them to Putins Russian crony capitalists. Yanukovich took 15 billion from the Ukrainian people before he fled to Mother Russia. . Putin is now worth $75 billion, according to reports. Nothing the Russians do, is based on altruism.
60 posted on 03/31/2014 9:13:30 AM PDT by FBD
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