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Border buddies: A merger between the United states and Canada?
The Washington Times ^ | 3/23/2014 | Meghan Drake

Posted on 03/23/2014 5:27:20 PM PDT by markomalley

If Diane Francis had her way, the U.S. would share a lot more with its northern neighbor than the Great Lakes, maple syrup and Justin Bieber.

The editor-at-large for Toronto’s National Post argues that a complete merger of Canada and the United States would create a global colossus, add 13 stars to the American flag, eliminate the border and require just a few amendments to the Constitution. But, Ms. Francis acknowledged on a visit to Washington last week, not everyone up north is thrilled with the idea.

“I wanted to attack the Canadian establishment and say, ‘Wake up, there is [a merger] underway, let’s manage it to our benefit,’ and to attack American ignorance about Canada,” she said.

The “thought experiment,” first broached in a book she published late last year, was introduced on the 20th anniversary of the North American Free Trade Agreement as President Obama pushed for much broader trade agreements with the European Union and Asia-Pacific nations.

Ms. Francis envisions a full-on economic and political merger in which Canada’s provinces would become 13 states in the U.S. Quebec would become a commonwealth like Puerto Rico.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: blamecanada; canada; canadausmerger; futuredemocrats; keystonexl; mergerofthecentury; nafta; nwo; treason
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yeah but Canada didn’t have slavery in the way we did, and that turned out to make a huge difference. I suspect most Canadians are grateful for that when they see the rot in our inner cities.

Interestingly though, Canada did have slavery, but most of the slave holders were Indians, a little inconvenient truth they don’t talk about much up there.


121 posted on 03/23/2014 8:47:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

A guess who their slaves were, kidnapped settlers from New England and New York.


122 posted on 03/23/2014 8:49:02 PM PDT by gusty
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To: dfwgator

“Yeah but Canada didn’t have slavery in the way we did, and that turned out to make a huge difference. I suspect most Canadians are grateful for that when they see the rot in our inner cities.”

They have their own rot and gangs in parts of British Columbia.

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123 posted on 03/23/2014 8:50:25 PM PDT by Mears
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To: MuttTheHoople; markomalley
We tried it twice. Canada kicked our butts both times.

I am going to stay out of this, living as I do just a spit across the St Mary's River from our twin city of Sault Ste. Marie. Just a little mention though about things regarding the 2nd Amendment. There are no more stout defenders of the keeping of firearms (long guns) than Canadian gun owners.

On the lighter side, we in Canada had a new statutory holiday enacted. Family Day and all the stores had to close. Ere' arf the bloomin' population took off over the bridge to go to Walmart in Michigan. (Ok an exaggeration) but it seemed like it.

On the 1812-1814 war between Canada and America. Americans generally claim they won. Canadians claim they won. The British whose Redcoats were employed, claim that war ended in a draw.

Draw it was.

124 posted on 03/23/2014 8:58:12 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Mears

Well, thank goodness, that lower human nature has never touched the east part of Canada. What a blessed Country of the East. You must be proud of your native dealings/.?/>>


125 posted on 03/23/2014 9:01:12 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Nepeta
Perhaps for some...Canadian identity is rooted in negatives--NOT-American, and for some, NOT-English-speaking. Not all, however. As far as resolving Canadian issues, we can solve it ourselves, without the help of our friends to the south. BTW, you must remember that Ms. Francis is American by birth and upbringing, perhaps bringing a little ‘manifest destiny’ and ‘Monroe Doctrine’ with her.

Unfortunately, many Canadians, like many Americans, like many Europeans, like many people in general, are intellectually lazy. Among the symptoms, in this country, too many, especially younger Canadians, define themselves in terms of not being American, rather than being Canadian, despite our exceptional history. Some Americans brag on their 'exceptionalism', Canadians who know their history, do not need to brag on their 'exceptionalism'; a look at history reveals it.

As for me and many Canadians, ours is a history, similar, but different from the US. You fought a war in 1776-83 for independence. My ancestors waged a battle in the British Parliament for a ‘responsible government’, the consequence being the birth of an independent country in 1867, achieved without war or much violence. (1837 'rebellions' in Upper and Lower Canada.)

You birthed the Monroe Doctrine and ‘manifest destiny’, the idea that ALL the Americas should be colonies of the US. From that Doctrine, you tried to conquer Canada, failed and as a result, in 1814, a small backwater town on the Potomac (Washington, DC) got put to the torch in response for your torching of a small backwater town on Lake Ontario called York (now Toronto) in 1813! In the end, the outnumbered Canadian militias and the small British army in Canada repulsed all the attacks, defending our country. Finally, when the Brits were free of the European war, Dolley and her beau, wisely realised that fighting the full force of the British Empire was a losing proposition, sued for peace, the Treaty of Ghent. What this little war also led to, was the creation of a Canadian identity, rather than a British colonial identity amongst Canadians.

The Monroe Doctrine and ‘manifest destiny’ led to the annexation of Texas from Mexico. The US loaded Texas (then a part of Mexico) with American settlers, then war broke out, with Mexico being outnumbered in Texas and the US eventually annexed Texas. Substitute ‘Russians’ for ‘Americans’, ‘Ukraine’ for ‘Mexico’ and ‘Crimea’ for ‘Texas’, and you have the current Russian adventure in Eastern Europe!

A stroke of a pen in 1833 freed slaves in all British colonies, including the Province of Canada. It did not take the deaths of 750,000 men, women and children in a brutal war, as it did in the US.

On the Great Plains, Canada expanded through unbroken peace treaties with First Nations, rather than wars and broken treaties. The exception to war being the Red River Rebellion of 1869-70 and the North-West Rebellion of 1885, led by a metis (half-breed French and Ojibwa), Louis Riel. The former led to the establishment of the Province of Manitoba and the latter led to M. Riel's brief but shocking (at least for him) encounter with a hangman's noose in 1885.

In both World Wars, Canada was in within one week, defending freedom for others, rather than the 2 years it took our southern friends to react. In WW1, 620,000 served in the CEF out of a population of 7.2 million. In WW2, over 1 million served in the Canadian Army, RCAF and RCN out of a population of 11 million. At war's end, Canada had the fourth-largest air force and third-largest naval surface fleet in the world. The lefties in the country try to spread the lie that Canada is a nation of 'peacekeepers', forgetting the past, that the Germans, especially during the '100 days', feared attack by the CEF more than attack by the French, Brits or Americans. Herr Schicklegruber remembered that in WW2.

Over time, all empires recede. It happened in ancient Egypt and ancient Rome, and after WW2 it happened to France and Great Britain. It is happening now to the American empire. Most empires die from internal rot and decadence. Europeans for the most part, began to succumb to secular humanism in the inter-war years. Canada, being a 'middle ground' between Europe and America, succumbed to this, and to immigration from the wrong places, especially beginning in the early 1960s. By God's Grace, we (Canada) have had a Christian Prime Minister who has been quietly holding the line against such folly. Unfortunately, the US has elected characters like Clinton and Obama, furthering the decadent destruction of the US.

126 posted on 03/23/2014 9:28:03 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Heh, not such a hot idea. Having trained with the Canadian army a good bit while I was stationed at Fort Lewis, WA back in the 1980s, I can tell you that they're not amateurs. They might not have our size but they know the terrain and they're damn fine infantry and tough as nails. Plus their beer is a heckuva lot stronger than our paltry 3.2% swill!
127 posted on 03/23/2014 9:31:15 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Um, also, the last time we tried that back in the circa 1812, we got our butts handed to us.
128 posted on 03/23/2014 9:32:51 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: markomalley

Well, if Canada wanted to apply to become several new states in the United States, that might be manageable and even a good idea. But for us to “merge” with Canada and change our Constitution to fit their ideas of “free” speech? I think not.


129 posted on 03/23/2014 9:42:22 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: markomalley
Just what the US needs: the addition of a bunch of pot smoking (at least from British Columbia) socialists addicted to national health insurance who demand that French be made equal with English.
130 posted on 03/23/2014 10:50:09 PM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: dfwgator

I think, perhaps many do not know of slavery by First Nations. They are one of the ‘protected’ class, nary a bad word is allowed.


131 posted on 03/23/2014 10:55:57 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Peter Libra

Given that Canada was invaded by a much larger, apparently ‘professional’ American Army, that the British military was tied down with the Napoleonic wars in Europe, and that it was mostly Canadian militia and First Nations that defended Canada, and that the invasion was defeated, then yes, it was a VICTORY for Canada, even though in the end, no land was gained or lost by either side. It established a Canadian identity, different from a ‘colonial’ identity.

Forgive the run-on sentence.


132 posted on 03/23/2014 11:05:20 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Mears

Mostly First Nations and Chinese gangs.


133 posted on 03/23/2014 11:06:34 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: quadrant

Try taking a trip outside of the Lower Mainland, next time.


134 posted on 03/23/2014 11:08:34 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Judging by your name, you should be too.


135 posted on 03/23/2014 11:08:55 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Lower Mainland?
136 posted on 03/23/2014 11:16:31 PM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: max americana
If you read my 'About', you will see that my handle comes from a time when Jean Poutine was PM. Hard to be proud of a Canada where he was PM.

The Canada that I love, suffered too many years of Liberal socialist mismanagement, including Waterhole doing a pirouette behind HRM QEII with the signing 17 April 1982 of the Constipation Act Constitution Act.

If you are a native-born Canadian, I cannot understand your hatred for Canadians. If you are an American who spent years here, I can sort of understand it.

There is no perfect country, nor will there ever be a perfect country. There are many things to admire about the US. Likewise, there are many things to admire about Canada. There are also, many things to dislike about each country. At present, looking at the trajectories of each country, on balance, I prefer Canada. Not the least of which reason, Canada has NEVER voted against Israel in the UN whereas the US has. This means a lot Biblically, I believe.

137 posted on 03/23/2014 11:29:23 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: quadrant

‘Lower Mainland’ refers to Vancouver and environs. If you head into parts of the Interior, you will find many more conservative BC residents. Like CA, many locales in the interior of BC tend to be more conservative.

From what I’ve read about WA, OR, CA and HI, there seems to be a relationship between living on the eastern side of the Pacific Ocean and socialism/odd behaviour!


138 posted on 03/23/2014 11:38:59 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: markomalley

I see no real lift for either country. We’re both screwing up our own countries just fine as it is. The paranoid in me suggests that the blue states are looking for an ally in the coming CWII.


139 posted on 03/24/2014 2:56:23 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Yep, they’re welcome to him.


140 posted on 03/24/2014 3:04:36 AM PDT by kanawa
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