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The ex-Soviet leader is today a despised figure in his own country but I do think his point about the illegal dissolution of the USSR in the Belavezha Forest proved prescient. Its not only torn at the fraternal relations between Russia and Ukraine, its threatens to plunge Russia into a new Cold War with the West. The leaders of the three countries responsible for the breakup of the USSR did not consider fully the consequences of their momentous decision. Its opened the door to fearsome nationalist conflicts and uncontrollable war. What was done then illegally has sown its fruits today. The peoples of the former USSR were interwined and after its demise found themselves cut off from their motherland. Reconstituting the USSR is impossible but responsible politicians on all sides now have a duty to step back and work on repairing the damage caused by its disappearance. Or we may find ourselves waking up in more than just a new Cold War World. Gorbachev is right that is not something to be simply brushed off - not by the West, Ukraine or Russia.
1 posted on 03/15/2014 12:07:11 AM PDT by goldstategop
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Crystal Ball time: The Crimea will emerge as State Federated with the Ukraine and with Russia. Obama and Kerry will claim full credit and the MSM will give it to them.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 12:09:53 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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Yeltsin should have sent in the tanks and started a bloodbath.

Illegal blah blah blah. Everything good is illegal. Putin sending in troops to invade and annex, never illegal.

The law in the hands of scum is inevitably an ass.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 12:19:23 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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Winning the Nobel Prize disqualifies Gorbachev from any intellectual debate. Let him join Obama, Carter and Gore to save the planet somewhere else.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 12:42:05 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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Gorbachev was/is just another Communist liberals are trying to rewrite history about in order to take credit away from Ronald Reagan for ending the Cold War.


6 posted on 03/15/2014 1:19:08 AM PDT by MacMattico
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Russia may have decided to just take the part of Ukraine it cares about and cut the rest lose totally. Russia’s leaders may see this as a hard choice that will pay off in the future by settling questions and disputes about borders and identity that have been unresolved since the USSR collapsed. This can make a lot sense when you think about it from their perspective. Russia may feel it cannot have large numbers of people who consider themselves Russians in countries on its borders in part because it will draw Russia into intrigue in these countries that it now realizes it can’t win often enough to justify the trouble. They may see gobbling up parts of Ukraine as cutting their losses.

If that’s the case, the way to head this off would have to involve serious concessions. Russia has already decided it can survive whatever sanctions might be coming if this is indeed their course of action. Escalation by those opposed may result in moves in Central Asia, as Russia feels it has less to lose.

We have to understand that world historical forces live in our own time as much as in others. The ideologies and even the personalities are flitting above the waves of those forces. Time won’t stop because Hillary or Obama or Kerry gives some lame speech.

These jokers couldn’t even write a bill to give Ukraine’s new government a measly one billion dollars without trying to sneak a measure in blowing a huge amount of the IMF’s emergency money. Shameful. And then McCain has the nerve to shill for this bill? Why not just submit a clean bill without pork stuffed in if this was so important?

Russia saves a cool $15 billion by unloading this Turkey onto us. So any damage we inflict on their economy has to be measured starting $15 billion in the hole.

If that bill pases, we’re in one billion. We need to keep track of how much this costs.

Oh and I’m not stupid. I understand that the IMF “reform” may be a cover for mobilizing resources to attack Russia financially. That needs to be discussed first because I do not trust these clowns to not blow up our economy in the process. More than it has already, I mean.


7 posted on 03/15/2014 1:21:01 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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Gorbachev's views are like Jimmy Carter speaking up over here...duhhhh!

Gorby needs to be careful, lest his life of comfort may be relocated to Siberia for the balance of his pension years.

10 posted on 03/15/2014 5:25:51 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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I get a sense of “good cop, bad cop” going on.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 6:41:35 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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