Posted on 03/06/2014 5:47:11 AM PST by yldstrk
Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days on the decision in a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula. The sudden acceleration of moves to bring Crimea, which has an ethnic Russian majority and has effectively been seized by Russian forces, formally under Moscow's rule came as European Union leaders gathered for an emergency summit to seek ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation. The Crimean parliament voted unanimously "to enter into the Russian Federation with the rights of a subject of the Russian Federation". The vice premier of Crimea, home to Russia's Black Sea military base in Sevastopol, said a referendum on the status would take place on March 16. He said all state property would be "nationalized" and the Russian ruble could be adopted. The announcement, which diplomats said could not have been made without Russian President Vladimir Putin's approval, raised the stakes in the most serious east-west confrontation since the end of the Cold War. Russia stocks fell and the ruble weakened further after the news. Far from seeking a diplomatic way out, Putin appears to have chosen to create facts on the ground before the West can agree on more than token action against him.
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Hey... if they voted to surrender, who are we to intervene?
Have we not done the same?
so you can’t recount the theft you allude to?
sadly, our idiot brethren voted to surrender to the communist agenda, true, sad but true
You can’t do your own research? Just like to mouth off like a petulant teenager. That’s your reputation. Hell, the history of these areas has been posted on FR many times in the past few weeks, yet, you can’t seem to know about it? Stupid and lazy?
Especially if their elected representatives have been forced from office.
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you can’t defend your views?
Stolen or liberated...? When the US government stole the Southwest territories from Mexico it was nothing but the aggression of the strong over the weak, and the smart over the stupid, especially where Santa Anna was involved. It was an immoral war. Looking back, it was the best thing anyone ever did for the Mexican citizens who became American citizens.
The future for the Russian citizens and others in Crimea might have taken a turn for the better. They have been liberated from a dysfunctional government.
Putin was always going to do this. The people of Crimea are fine with it. This is not a fight we can or should get involved in. As long as the rest of the Ukraine remains independent we should move on.
There are ways to pay Putey back and we should stick the knife in him as often as possible.
1. Install the missile sheild in Poland and Chechoslovakia
(Putin will have a stroke)
2. Work to close the credit window at the Western Banks to
Russia
3. Open drilling all over the US and export oil to drive
the price down.
Antagonistic powers trying to control Crimea has, however always meant war with Russia until Russia got Crimea back.
The light brigade was squandered. Good poetry from a futile war.
We need to look at history ok...... 1856 Russia lost the war and the Crimea was to be a independent state.
Russian expansionism[edit]
Russia, as a member of the Holy Alliance, had operated as the “police of Europe”, maintaining the balance of power that had been established in the Treaty of Vienna in 1815. Russia had assisted Austria’s efforts in suppressing the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, and expected gratitude. It wanted a free hand in settling its problems with the Ottoman Empire – the “sick man of Europe”. Britain could not tolerate Russian dominance of Ottoman affairs as that would challenge the British role in the eastern Mediterranean. water ports of the Black Sea. Warm water ports that did not freeze over in the winter were essential for the development of Russian year-round trade and development of a strong navy. This brought the emerging Russian state into conflict with the Ukrainian Cossacks and then with the Ukrainian Tatars. When Russia conquered these groups and gained possession of Ukraine, the Ottoman Empire lost its buffer zone against Russian expansion, and Russia and the Ottoman Empire fell into direct conflict. The conflict with the Ottoman Empire also presented a religious issue of importance, as Russia saw itself as the protector of Orthodox Christians, many of whom lived under Ottoman control.
When this conflict end the Crimean was not to be annexed to any country.
So, according to your logic, we should belong to England since we took these lands using war.
“Aren’t we all about self-determination?”
Russian domination of Crimea was accomplished by invasion, conquest, annexation, and ethnic cleansing of the non-Russian population through executions and deportations. The current non-Russian population and pro-Ukranian Russian population are being denied the right of self-determination by threat and usage of armed force. So, the Russian conquest of Crimea with the aid of the indigenous Russian ethnic populatoin is the exact opposite of exercising the right of self determination. Furthermore Russia breached its agreement to respect and guarantee the territorial integrity of the Ukraine, which includes the Ukraine’s inclusion of the Crimea within that Ukrainian territory. This is a major and grave breach of international law and the Charter of the United Nations.
“Aren’t the vast majority of Crimeans of Russian ancestry?”
No, there is no “vast majority of Crimeans of Russian ancestry,” but there is a slight majority of Crimeans of Russian ancestry. It must also be recognized this slight majority of ethnic Russians is due to prior Russian ethnic cleansing of non-Russian populations from the Crimea. One of the reasons Putin and Russia have invaded, conquered, and annexed the Crimea is to stop the non-Russian population of former Crimean Tatars from any further returns to the Crimean homes from which the Russians deported them in 1945. The Tatar population has been restored from the 0 percent after 1945 to a sizable minority now. Unless Russia stopped these Tatar returns to their Crimean homeland, the Russians in the Crimea could have been expected to become a minority ethnic group in the coming decades. Russia’s invasion of the Crimea seeks to halt the inceases of Ukrainian and Tatar ethnic representation the Crimea.
“Aren’t they following democratic norms/processes to secede from the Ukraine?”
No, there is nothing democratic whasoever about the methods Russia is using to conquer and annex the Crimea to Russia. This Russian invasion and annexation of the Crimea is comparable to Hitler’s invasion and annexation of the Czechoslovakian Sudetenland and subsequent ethnic cleansing of non-German populations.
“Do you favor a region staying under the governance of a government they believe does not have their best interests at heart?”
That is not what is happening in this case. here we have an invader using armed force to seize control of the autonomous republic’s government and then use a part of its population as a false excuse to dictate the erection of a new government under Russian military control and dictate scession. There is nothing democratic whatsoever about that process, and no determination of what is in the best interests of anyone but the aggressors.
The Ukrainian regime came through power through an illegal coup and this regime is talking about respect for the rule of law while at the same time, it seeks on a so-called legal pretext, to deny a part of the people their right of self-determination. And the West sanctions this regime and its lawlessness. In doing so, trampling over the fundamental freedom of association. Of course, accompanying it with threats, ultimatums, blackmail and sanctions. In a way, that is all evidently fitting. Remember, the agreement for averting the crisis in the first place the West witnessed itself is now buried and forgotten. But that was then and this is now.
America from Great Britain comes to mind. And the Continental Congress that voted to secede in 1776 did not even schedule a refrendum - according to today’s EU, that would be illegal since it did not include the consent of the people of Great Britain in changing the political status as one of its parts. In our present day world, by definition, the American Revolution would be considered the work of a regime of anti-British outlaws. So there you have it.
Not true.
Ukraine was forced to give some land to Poland. In exchange they were gifted Crimea.
Outstanding reply.
When the US government stole the Southwest territories from Mexico...
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