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She's right for the wrong reasons. She had no choice. Had the bill passed it would have had terrible repercussions for Arizona. She, and all of Arizona were on the side of God but the egregious malevolence pummeling down on Arizona would have made their strong, principled convictions a Pyrrhic Victory, the losses would have been much too high a price to pay.
1 posted on 02/26/2014 6:50:47 PM PST by lbryce
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Its just a matter of time before churches are forced to marry gays or risk losing their tax exempt status.

When that happens the immense good that churches do in terms of charity will become impossible.

Thank the gay mafia.

2 posted on 02/26/2014 6:56:29 PM PST by skeeter
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>> She’s right for the wrong reasons.

She is wrong for the wrong reasons.

>> She had no choice.

She had a choice. She chose to please men rather than God.

>> Had the bill passed it would have had terrible repercussions for Arizona.

The Gay Mafia and their agenda will have unimaginably horrible repercussions for all of America, should no one stop them and they continue to spread their evil unchecked. Ref: Sodom. Brewer had a chance to stand heroically “...against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” Sadly, she had not the courage to do so.

>> She, and all of Arizona were on the side of God...

“If GOD be for us, who can be against us?” I’m sorry she has no faith in GOD.


6 posted on 02/26/2014 7:03:35 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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Discrimination is discrimination. How do you know if a customer is “gay” or not? Most don’t wear signs proclaiming it. Only the politicized ones on the Left do.

I’m Jewish. There used to be signs that said “No Jews, Niggers or Dogs allowed”. You’ll find signs like that today in much of the Middle East.

But how does someone know that I’m Jewish. I don’t look Jewish and don’t wear any religious garments. I’ve passed for Italian on more than one ocassion. Even the KKK and Nazis didn’t know I was Jewish when I attended one of their rallies just outside of DC. (That was a learning experience, believe me).

You should ban a person from your premises based on their visible bad behavior, not who they are internally.

I think that moderate gays (who are afraid to speak up due to threats from their Leftist thugs), need to step up and say that they just want to be treated publicly like anyone else, but also demand that their militant brethren stop their own hate campaigns against straights and people with certain religious beliefs.

Doing the right thing is often hard, but it still is the right thing. It goes both ways.


9 posted on 02/26/2014 7:06:37 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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Should an African-America baker have to bake a cake for a Klu Klux Klan celebration?

Should a Jewish baker have to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi celebration?

Should a Gay baker have to bake a cake for a Christian celebration?

Should a Christian baker have to bake a cake for a Gay wedding?


10 posted on 02/26/2014 7:07:07 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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Hey sure enough, let's just all bend over, we all now have no rights other Muslim, blacks, illegal aliens and gays!

No one, and I mean no one can say anything against anal sex. It's the new civil right!

I assume the scarlet letter will be "C" for Christian with underground churches that preach and teach from the bible meeting secretly.

12 posted on 02/26/2014 7:08:32 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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Gov. Jan Brewer would have been dog piled like they did to Sarah Palin. That is because she has no idea how to fight back. This homo confederacy is using the Alinsky tactics on steroids. Anyone who stands in opposition to them is picked out, frozen and polarized. They play this play book over and over like anything one would do because it is successful. This tactic nullifies their target’s ability to reason their case because it is on the level of throwing dirt balls. If you try to reason with the public, you have lost.

However, if you turn he tables on them, and pick one of their own for attack, you would have them in a frenzy. This is where a similar attack is the best defense. This is the level you have to fight. You have to throw dirt balls at them without stop.


13 posted on 02/26/2014 7:09:26 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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She, and all of Arizona were on the side of God but the egregious malevolence pummeling down on Arizona would have made their strong, principled convictions a Pyrrhic Victory, the losses would have been much too high a price to pay.

Pyrrhic victory or another regular, old loss.

Either way our freedoms, in this case religious, are, again, diminished.

15 posted on 02/26/2014 7:11:31 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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Freedom of association is guaranteed in the First Amendment of the Constitution. I don’t know about Arizona, but most businesses I know of have a sign in the window that says, “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.”

This bill spelled out what is already in the First Amendment. It is sad that we should need bills to guarantee our Constitutional rights. It is even sadder that such a bill should be vetoed.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 7:12:58 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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The NFL, and their fawning Media, need to be put back where they belong. They made Arizona adopt a MLK jr holiday and now a gay victory in business. I’ll bet the NFL has big trouble with the gay and “N-word” issues this year. The NFL could use a little nose twisting and maybe suffer some legal judgements for their intrusions into politics/culture.


24 posted on 02/26/2014 7:22:16 PM PST by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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What about those establishments that would post signs like “We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone at Anytime.” — there’s no rationale (other than property rights perhaps) to justify this cut & dry “discrimination.” Have these ever been the target of such intense litigation?


36 posted on 02/26/2014 7:48:29 PM PST by mikrofon (Founders BUMP)
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Brewer said she made the decision she knew was right for Arizona.

Horse$h!t. The whole controversy boils down to protecting or curtailing freedom and liberty.

If mankind claims ANY behavior is beyond his control and falls under the heading of "born this way," he has no claim on liberty and must be controlled by the state.

These gay-rights bastards are willing to kill the tree of liberty just to keep people from looking at them funny.

45 posted on 02/26/2014 8:04:26 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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46 posted on 02/26/2014 8:05:55 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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government has no right to force a private business owner to do anything , including who to deal with

if i own a business i don’t have to let in anyone i don’t want to . government can’t force me to . same for your other property like your house


48 posted on 02/26/2014 8:10:01 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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Discrimination (freedom to choose) is our God-given right and duty. Individuals and businesses have every right to discriminate however they want. There's nothing wrong with personal discrimination.

State laws requiring segregation of blacks from whites are another matter and are unconstitutional (14th Amendment). The feds have a Constitutional right to interfere with state laws that require segregation of blacks from whites.

However, the feds have no other Constitutional authority to interfere with any other form of discrimination on the state level and the feds have no Constitutional authority whatsoever to interfere with the God given right of individuals and businesses to exercise their freedom of discrimination (freedom to choose) as they see fit.

63 posted on 02/26/2014 8:55:49 PM PST by PapaNew
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God is allowing this perversity to happen to test Christian resilience and faith. What are the repercussions to the church which is the first to refuse “marry” homosexuals? That event will determine the real test of faith.


67 posted on 02/26/2014 9:43:51 PM PST by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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She had choice. We conservatives better get with it and this isn’t even the top issue in the game but the left don’t play this bs. They push through and keep hitting the wall no matter how many they offend or how many times they lose. This strategy of bowing to leftist threats is emboldening these nasty worms of humanity. You don’t feed bullies. You hit em hard and you keep hitting them till they smile and want to be your buddy so that you wont hit em again. The problem is I don’t think many Christians really love America they just like feeling like they are good people and what better way to feel like good people than to spend an evening comforting yourself on how you couldn’t possibly do nutin cause the left are meanies and might hurt you. Go take a fn prozac if you are going to justify this unprincipled Gov and ride out the end of the world with your Jesus blinders on. Some of us are actually trying to change the game and it wont be through love especially not the bastardized corrupt version that ends up with US losing because we are afraid of what our evil opponents will try to do. They tried it with Scott Walker. When don’t they try it? They at least have the self respect to actually fight for what their corrupt infantile minds want.

Sorry but I’m fed up. These spit slime GOP are just disgusting.


69 posted on 02/26/2014 10:13:02 PM PST by Maelstorm
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I think the bill was reprehensible but the important thing was it Constitutional legal?

If I were Governor Brewer I would have called the best Constitutional Scholars and determined if it was legal both Federally and on a State Basis. If the law was legal she should have signed it. At the same time she should have started a campaign to repeal the law that she signed.

The law of our individual republics, of our 50 states, is the law with the exception in which the Constitution of the USA defines its precedence above the law of the individual republic states. If these laws of precedence are not defined in the Constitution, the Federal Government has no legal jurisdiction nor legal power.


73 posted on 02/26/2014 11:35:14 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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Not the first time they have beat Arizona into submission.


74 posted on 02/26/2014 11:47:05 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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This makes me sick. Get rid of her.


75 posted on 02/27/2014 2:09:06 AM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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She just flushed what remains of her political career down the toilet.


76 posted on 02/27/2014 2:14:18 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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