Posted on 01/30/2014 2:55:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Rep. John Conyers has been introducing a Reparations Bill in the House for decades
[Reparations Moving Forward]
There is a lot of hatred against African Americans in the United States even though as a group, we have done little or nothing to earn it. Most of us were brought here against our will. This has been an odd way to act toward people you forced to be part of your population. An example of this hatred is easy to see in the irrational reaction of many toward the twice legally elected President of the United States, Barak Obama.
In my humble opinion, from a distance, he has been an almost perfect person, having a beautiful family, being extremely competent at his job and never striking back at his many tormentors, many of whom have conducted themselves at the level of sub-humans in their vitriolic comments about him, often to his face. He has taken this abuse in much the same way that Jackie Robinson, the first African American to make it in the then all white professional baseball league took it.
No American president has ever faced so much hostility and outright disrespect. The haters may be a minority, but there are still a lot of them, and as we have seen, they have power and they have little morality meaning they will sink to any level, no matter how low to achieve their objectives.
The damage done to Africans after their civilizations collapsed has been the worst ever inflicted on any peoples of the world. Their greatest accomplishments, the Egyptian Civilization for one example has been ripped from them by criminal societies who have tried for centuries to convince the world that Egypt was a European creation when in fact they came into possession of it only through invasions and criminal acts.
They have tried through various religions to convince the world that the Egyptians deserved to be enslaved claiming that enslaved Europeans, the Jews, were forced to build the Great Pyramids on the Giza Plateau. This has been proven to be a lie, but there are hundreds or even thousands of lies that these people live on as justification for murdering and enslaving millions of Africans then stealing and pillaging their rich lands. Africans are not alone in suffering these fates. The same has been done to others, including the American Indians. In the case of Africans brought to the Americas, we were stripped of not only our history but our language, our customs, our religions and even our appearance in an attempt to make us unrecognizable to the world. All of this damage must be made right.
Reparation is a principle of law that has existed for centuries, referring to the obligation of a wrongdoing party to redress the damage caused to the injured party. Under international law, reparation must, as far as possible, wipe out all the consequences of the illegal acts and re-establish the situation which would, in all probability, have existed if these acts had not been committed.
The Reparations situation between The Jews and Nazi Germany was fairly simple and a “Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany” was held by the Israelis. Around September 1951, the Chancellor of West Germany addressed his Parliament stating the need and desire of his government to agree on forms of compensation due the Jewish people. Despite some protests, an agreement was signed in September 1952 and West Germany paid Israel a total sum of $2,374,284,914 dollars (over Two billion three hundred million dollars). The payment was made to the State of Israel as heir to the victims who had no surviving family.
The money was invested in the country’s infrastructure and was an important part of establishing the economy of the new state. It could be said that it was their life’s blood. In the situation where America deprived Japanese Americans of their businesses, material goods and also imprisoned them during WWII, even though some of them had sons serving active duty in the U.S. Military, the situation was still fairly simple. In response, the Japanese people began what turned out to be a successful reparations movement in the 1980’s. Their situation is still ongoing. One source claims, however, that nearly twenty years ago, the U.S. Congress did apologize for the treatment of Japanese Americans who were imprisoned in internment camps during WWII and it was said that each person was paid $20,000.00.
In the current political environment, African Americans will have little chance of winning any kind of Reparation from the United States or any of the other countries involved in our tragedy. The U.S. Supreme Court is far too right wing, and the Republican minority still has enough power that all they want to do is punish African Americans, even though as I stated above, we have done little or nothing to deserve it.
One real solution is the one put forth by Malcolm X: We must take our case before The United Nations. The slave trade was worldwide. Estimates of the damages can vary widely, but one said that for nearly 350 years from the start of the 16th century, it is estimated that tens of millions of Africans were forcibly removed from their continent and sold around the world. So I think the only chance for justice would come through a world court as found in The United Nations here in New York.
The League of Nations preceded the current body. The League had few teeth; they could chew on things but had little power to force change. The United Nations has teeth. It can use force to implement its decisions and this will definitely be needed when they do get around to settling claims in our favor. One argument against Reparations is that only a small percentage of Americans profited from the slave trade and many Whites (and Blacks also) died to end slavery and it is unfair that the entire country be taxed. Of course, this makes no sense to me at all. The countries that were involved and that profited from the trade, worldwide, must pay and be made to pay if they refuse to do the right thing. America must support it and kick in its fair share. It may be that this will only happen when African countries and African peoples world-wide become strong enough to carry this out.
As in most legal proceedings, Proof of Damage will be required by the Courts: The entire world knows what has happened to Africans planet-wide and who has caused the damages and reaped the profits. I doubt our claims can be denied but I’m sure many will try, just as some, in spite of all the evidence, have tried to deny the Jewish Holocaust. Many claims by African nations have been made already, including some made at the U.N., all without success.
At this point, the offending nations are still too powerful, made so from drinking the blood of so many Africans. Once the Reparations arguments start to be settled, there will be a phase where the type and means of Reparations has to be determined. Reparations to individuals will not be practical. I’m certain that would lead to a clown show.
DNA Evidence will be used by some white people, in this country and South Africa and around the world where suddenly they will be trying to prove they are Black or African, even including those who have fought against Africans all their lives, perhaps as Clan members or as South African police.
By using new and cheaper products now available to do DNA testing, people of many races will trumpet any results showing they or their families have a smattering of African blood in them and they will now say that this qualifies them for a share in Reparations settlements which they are now claiming. Some estimates of what Africans are due for giving Europeans grand lifestyles while many Africans starve even today, is approximately $8,000,000,000,000 (Eight Trillion dollars). I guarantee you that there will be a dog and pony show as good people and bad lunge at this purse.
Some method that can be used worldwide must be found. Some institution or entity must be created, perhaps by the U.N. and put in place to ensure the funds collected go to lift Africans all over the world out of their situations of prosecution so that any who cannot protect themselves are protected.
We have seen recent events in America where peoples gains once thought secure have been rolled back. We have seen that evil will never rest so we must be certain, “by whatever means necessary”, that African people worldwide can never, ever be victimized again.
Get a job or go back to the place that you were forced out of but the victim crap does not work for me.
DNA is likely to detimine an ancestry that hails from many places, as fewer than fifteen percent of North Americans are a genetically pure anything.
[Jonathan Swift] we could chop them up into pieces though, and send a representative portion back to each region. [/Jonathan Swift]
January 1, 1808 to be precise.
>> Most of us were brought here against our will.
I thought Congress sunset the slave trade in 2010.
No amount of “reparations” would EVER be enough for these people. They will always be victims in their own minds.
I'm more curious about the blacks who were brought here to slavery willingly, as his statement implied.
I would not hold my breath waiting for it to happen, Winston my man.
If the CSA no longer exists, having been conquered and assimilated into the USA, is there still any liabity for reparations? Wouldn't the USA have its own claim for ending slavery in a conquered and occupied nation?
Wouldn't it be like suing modern day Egypt for past offenses to Israel?
Only to the living former slaves, or their first offsprings, only.
Everybody else, including Sheila Jackson Lee, is just riding on their coat-tails, and it becomes another welfare payout, so NO!
Let us play a mind game.
Let us say repartition becomes law. Let us say every black person in the nation gets $1,000,000
What will the results be in ten years?
To answer that question we only have to look at any average person (of any race) that suddenly finds themselves with what they believe to be unending wealth.
With exceptions most find themselves in worse condition than they were before getting “wealthy”.
Add to it the fact that most Americans do not feel reparations are fair or justified as The United States fought a four year war to end slavery (among other reasons)which should mark the accounts paid in full.
If the Democrats thought they could win elections with this stunt, they would do it regardless of what “the people” want. Fortunately, since “African Americans” already vote 99% Democrat, there is not up side and a big down side to doing anything other than lip service to the idea of reparations. It is not going to happen.
Most of "you" were born here, just like us whiteys. You weren't brought here any more than I was brought "to Hell or Connaght."
he has been an almost perfect person, having a beautiful family, being extremely competent at his job and never striking back at his many tormentors
Bullshit. He lies, is extremely incompetent, and while "he" doesn't strike back outside of his mouth, he's the one that starts running his mouth in the first place and gets his bitches like Rahm and company to do his dirty work.
The damage done to Africans after their civilizations collapsed has been the worst ever inflicted on any peoples of the world.
Every civilization on this earth has dealt with conquerors and wannabe conquerors. I don't think anyone has some of the American Indian tribes beat. Jews didn't have it easy. Chaldeans don't have it easy. Coptics don't have it easy. Irish didn't have it easy. Scots didn't have it easy. Armenians didn't have it easy. BTW - Which "Africans" are you referring to? They aren't all alike.
They have tried through various religions to convince the world that the Egyptians deserved to be enslaved claiming that enslaved Europeans
You are about as Egyptian as I am.
In the current political environment, African Americans will have little chance of winning any kind of Reparation from the United States or any of the other countries involved in our tragedy.
All that were enslaved should get reparations. Anyone 150+ years old here? Didn't think so. Screw off. Some of us have to work for a living.
I’M ALL IN FOR REPARATIONS!!
AMERICAN BLACK FOLK NEED TO THANK WHITEY BIG TIME FOR SAVIN THEIR BACON! And so they should PAY!
I mean, after all, if these whining, sniveling, complaining, “victims” were to go BACK TO AFRICA, the Africans wouldn’t EXPORT them again, as they did in the past.......They would just kill them.
And if they DID survive a trip back to the “homeland,” there would be NO welfare, there would be NO handout goodies from the gubmint. Their lifestyles, that they are used to, paid for by that EEEVILLE white man, would go down the crapper in a heart beat.
Think I’m wrong? Ask any black African.
The only possible thing that the professional black victims could want at this point is to own white slaves.
I’d like to return that one back to Africa, as long as it’s against his will.....
Most whites are descended from families that weren't here when your descendants were brought here. But let's clarify that "as a group" comment; as a group blacks commit the majority of violent crimes against whites. So that might be one reason.
But then luckily for you, most whites don't think "as a group" and give blacks that are decent people the respect that they deserve.
-PJ
If we are to believe the claim that the Civil War was fought over slavery, then I think that 600,000+ dead Americans killed during that war was reparations enough.
thanks, i wasn’t exactly sure when.
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