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To: HiTech RedNeck
“Y’know,” I don’t think this really changes anything except that we are now not fooling ourselves.

It is a sea change. The lifting of sanctions and the recognition of Iran's nuclear program (peaceful or otherwise) will set off a chain of events in the region and the world. There will be other countries pursuing nuclear programs in response to Iran's. They will pursue them now because the US appears to be the "weak horse" who will not stop Iran's inevitable pursuit of a nuclear weapon. Containment is the new policy.

And Israel may now be forced to respond due to the vacuum created by Obama's deal at any cost. Israel can no longer trust the US. The secret year long negotiations with the Iranians were not shared with Israel and a number of our allies.

As Joe Biden once said about something else, "This is a big f**king deal."

43 posted on 11/24/2013 9:26:23 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Got it in one. Pun not intended, but Iran will start a chain reaction. Other rogue nations will be encouraged to at least make a go of it, at least a couple will succeed, and there will be a roaring black market trade in things that were formerly classed as “not even I’m gonna smuggle that stuff” among the criminal element.

It’s not at all unlike letting a disobedient child ultimately go unpunished after a long ‘talk’: the ultimate ‘lesson’ is that the brat can get away with his misdeeds if he can sit down and endure you making noise for long enough.

Actually, that analogy is especially apt since these heathen head-choppers have the mentality of a psychotic toddler crossed with a gangbanger...just with way more deadly toys to play with.


47 posted on 11/24/2013 10:56:19 AM PST by EternalHope13
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To: kabar

It’s only the illumination of a sea that was always there but we were kidding ourselves about.

Sanctions? Enforced just how? How do we inspect every square foot of Iran? Impossible.


52 posted on 11/24/2013 12:29:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: kabar

If anything, I’m thinking maybe it takes some of the fun out of it for the Slammies. They like to be sneaky. Waging war in the open is not their style unless forced to. OK, now they will build their bomb in plain sight.


53 posted on 11/24/2013 12:31:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: kabar

“It is a sea change. The lifting of sanctions and the recognition of Iran’s nuclear program (peaceful or otherwise) will set off a chain of events in the region and the world. There will be other countries pursuing nuclear programs in response to Iran’s. They will pursue them now because the US appears to be the “weak horse” who will not stop Iran’s inevitable pursuit of a nuclear weapon. Containment is the new policy”

Sanctions didn’t prevent a much less developed North Korea from developing nuclear weapons. Why should we believe they will be effective in preventing Iran from attaining them? I think being able to inspect their nuclear sites will be a more effective way of keeping them from getting weapons than sanctions. Verification is the keystone of arms limitation. There can be no credible means of preventing nuclear weapons without it. Ronald Reagan himself used to quote the old Russian saying, “Trust but verify.” when speaking of the INF agreement with the Soviets in 1987.


65 posted on 11/26/2013 2:40:17 AM PST by paristexas
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