Posted on 10/09/2013 8:56:40 AM PDT by JSDude1
Conservatives need to push the debt ceiling fight off the front burner to after Christmas.
Republican Leaders are begging us to merge the continuing resolution fight and debt ceiling fight. They covet this with all their mind and heart.
They do not want a stand alone fight on Obamacare. They want to conflate it with the debt ceiling so they can do a grand bargain and leave Obamacare alone.
Consider Rep. Paul Ryans op-ed in the Wall Street Journal. He wants a grand bargain and not once mentions Obamacare. Not once.
Friends, as I noted the other day, we lose everything if we merge the continuing resolution and debt ceiling fights.
Whats more, if the debt ceiling gets pushed to just before Christmas, the GOP will collapse in that fight just like they did with Obamacare in 2009.
I think somebody like Steve Scalise, who chairs the Republican Study Committee, needs to propose a short-term debt limit for a few weeks and attach to it the Full Faith and Credit Act that ensures the Treasury Department prioritizes interest payments in the event the debt limit is ever not increased. This would buy us some time to finish the fight to defund Obamacare and set us up well to fight the next long-term debt limit increase to the death by removing some of the Presidents scare tactics. How do Republican Leaders not adopt and push such a proposal? How does Obama not accept it without looking completely unreasonable?
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ah. I think I see where you are coming from now. We assume that if the debt limit isn’t raised and there is no catastrophe that we need to take the reigns of what to spend on and what not to spend on out of the president’s hands and provide clear steps... In that case I’m completely on board with you!
You are a smart guy. Way to smart for this. All these strategies to “win harts and minds” will come to nothing. Bottom line. We will NEVER allow our rights as individuals to be subordinated to “the collective” no matter what subterfuge used. Call it BozoCare or whatever or strategies or tactics to deal with the fact or fiction that we are outnumbered by 2% or whatever. This is the fight. Make it CLEAR. We will not quit. We will not submit. We will not bend a knee to any man.
There is the point that without an increase in the debt ceiling evern more federal workers would be fired.
And then, as the debts increase, them more federal workers would be fired.
But the current bums would be sure to hurt honorable veterans first, and old people dependent on SS after that, so long as the democrat activists with federal pay got their money, and the union thugs got their cut.
I like your idea.
Default has a specific meaning.
You are using it incorrectly.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3075707/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3076855/posts
So we want to keep the matter cooking.
Reverting to the first issue, it looks like Paul Ryan and his boys are trying to switch the matter to the general budget. This is attractive to them because it gets us past Obamacare which they regard to be a battle we cannot win. I regard it as a battle we win as long as we fight it. Nevertheless, they want an exit strategy and their strategy is to move over to the budget.
By granting a short-term debt extension, I hope we can keep the matter open, keep our side together, keep Obamacare alive, but not lose all leverage over the administration.
Given my druthers, which we rarely are given, I would go to the wall with Yosemitest and say damn your eyes all of you and make them live within the current debt limit. But that ain't gonna happen.
I have always thought that as long as we fight we are winning. That is because we have reason and logic on our side and the Democrats are essentially lying to the people. Every day the anomalies of their position become exposed. That is why Obama looks so inept. If we can keep the battle going we win the public relations fight everyday. Ultimately, that is what will decide Obamacare and the budget.
I want to keep the fight going and I want to deflect Paul Ryan and the establishment Republicans from switching over to some sort of half-assed compromise on the budget as a substitute. We have seen this game played before to our sorrow.
We would not be in this position if Ted Cruz and Mike Lee had not shamed the Republican establishment into it. At the time there was, as Doctor Krauthammer says, no clear path to repealing or defunding Obamacare. But the fight itself has created opportunities. Whatever leverage we now have on the budget comes from the fight over Obamacare.
More, the appalling anecdotal evidence is mounting on a huge scale in the media of skyrocketing premiums, skyrocketing-almost surrealistic- self-pay provisions, and loss of coverage previously held. These media reports must be replicated a million times in the social media a million times more around the water cooler. All of this too must vindicate opposition to Obamacare.
The idea that the public is disproportionately punishing the Republican brand for the situation and for their opposition to it is contrary to our common assumptions and expectations, not as conservatives but as citizens. For the public to get this so wrong means that democracy is hopeless.
I understand the media bashes the Republicans daily but their bashing comes down to this, the Republicans are mindlessly fighting a law which is oppressing you and which is unfairly applied against you, a fight which they cannot win not because it is inherently wrong but only because Obama is arrogant and stubbornly defends his signature legacy. Therefore, you should blame the Republicans for government shutdown and bad weather.
I simply do not buy it nor the polls which seem to say it.
I agree with you 100%, there should be an open season on Rinos this primary season.
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