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Is the Conflict Between Us Irreconcilable?
Townhall ^ | 10/08/2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 10/08/2013 6:25:32 AM PDT by TomServo

One way or another, the battle of the budget and the debt ceiling will be over by All Hallows' Eve.

Yet, as one looks deeper, at the irreconcilable conflict behind the present clash, only a roaring optimist would imagine we shall ever know again the tranquility and unity of the Eisenhower-Kennedy years.

Consider the bile dumped upon Tea Party Republicans by Barack Obama, Harry Reid and their camp followers in the national press.

What did the Tea Party do to deserve this? Answer: These extremists shut down the U.S. government, they're holding America hostage, and they're inflicting terrible suffering on innocent people.

But is this true?

Three times in a fortnight, the House has voted to fund every department, agency, and program of the government -- except Obamacare. Who, then, is truly shutting down the government?

What we are witnessing here is the unfolding of the Big Lie -- the constant repetition of a transparent falsehood -- to persuade a pliable public not only to believe it, but to recite it, as in Orwell's "1984."

Obamacare, we are told, was enacted by Congress, signed by the president, upheld by the Supreme Court, confirmed by Obama's victory in 2012. To try to defund or reform it amounts to an attempted coup, an overturning of the election results of November.

But does not Congress have the power of the purse to fund or defund any program it chooses? Is that not in the Constitution?

And have not the last three years exposed glaring flaws in Obamacare? Have not severely adverse consequences turned up in widespread layoffs and a reversion to part-time help? Did not the Cleveland Clinic say it will have to let 3,000 people go?

Why then is the House's exercise of its constitutional authority to defund Obamacare, which polls show a majority of Americans favor, such a moral outrage?

This brings us to the underlying conflict.

The Obamacare battle is part of a larger struggle between a party of government and a conservative party that fears America is heading down a road traveled by Greece, Italy and Spain.

Now the party of government can surely claim credit for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare. Yet, that same party is also responsible for driving New York City to the brink of bankruptcy in the 1970s and for the disaster that is Detroit today.

That party is also responsible for an unsustainable welfare state where half the U.S. population pays zero income taxes but consumes hundreds of billions yearly in social welfare benefits.

And how are the people who preside over this annual redistribution of America's wealth faring? Just fine, thank you.

According to the latest data from the Census Bureau, the four counties in the United States with the highest median family income are all in the D.C. area: Arlington, Loudoun and Fairfax County, Va., and Howard County, Md. Maryland's Montgomery County, just north of D.C., ranks 7. Five of the top ten. Not bad, eh?

Though 120,000 D.C. residents are on food stamps, the city boasts a median family income higher than all but four states. And D.C. leads the nation in the number of bedroom counties, nine, where the median family income exceeds $100,000.

Big government and the Fat City are one in Barack Obama's America.

And how does the Tea Party imperil the country?

First, they risk taking America over the cliff into default. But that raises a question: Since the Tea Party folks are newcomers to town, who brought America to the edge of this cliff?

What radical added $6 trillion to our national debt in five years? Or did the Tea Party do that?

Almost all now agree that the entitlement programs -- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid -- threaten to consume the budget.

Is the Tea Party responsible for this gathering disaster?

Was the Tea Party beating the drums for those trillion-dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is the Tea Party responsible for our being committed to fighting other countries' wars and paying other countries' bills, in perpetuity, through foreign aid?

When the Tea Party says the Fed's QE3 amounts to printing money and inflating the currency, that it is creating stock market and real estate bubbles certain to burst, and that the dollar's future as the world's reserve currency is imperiled, do they not have a point?

These same views are today being echoed by economists and writers, few of whom are ever likely to show up wearing side arms at God and Country Rallies.

And just where did our community-organizer president learn his economics. From Saul Alinksy's "Rules for Radicals"? From his senate days in Springfield, capital of the state that is the odds-on favorite to be first in the nation to default on its debts?

The Tea Party is feared and detested in Washington because these folks threaten the ideology, the vested interests, and most critical of all, the rice bowls in this city that voted 15-1 for Obama.


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To: gov_bean_ counter

and sadly it’s the wrong side...


21 posted on 10/08/2013 6:38:43 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Jim Robinson

God bless you Jim!


22 posted on 10/08/2013 6:38:52 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: central_va

I see that (secession) as the only way to retain freedom and liberty with the least amount of violence and bloodshed.

We don’t want to take over the federal gov’t, just be free of it.

Even the “Civil War” really wasn’t a Civil War, as the south had no intention of taking over the federal government and forcing their views on the whole country (as the left has done).


23 posted on 10/08/2013 6:39:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TomServo

Yes. We are of two houses. One wants to live for free on the sweat and toil of the other. The second will not submit. Separation or conflict must come.


24 posted on 10/08/2013 6:41:14 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: TomServo

The smoke you smell is the grand dreams of socialism going down in flames. Obama is the last of the long line of clowns. His last stand is totally ridiculous. Obama, the petty tyrant, attempts to hold the people hostage by threatening to withhold the socialist goodies and freebies promised by the socialist clowns preceeding him, and at the same time he’s trying to push an even larger socialist boondoggle down our throats.

Hold the line! Obama is done!


25 posted on 10/08/2013 6:41:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: pgkdan

Yep. Can’t keep bringing Marquess de Queensbury rules to a street fight.


26 posted on 10/08/2013 6:42:14 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: MrB
We've suffered enough. The Socialist/communist need to carve off a part of the country and create their socialist utopia.

The other states need to go back to founding principles.

The two sides are irreconcilable.

27 posted on 10/08/2013 6:43:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TomServo

Yes... it is indeed irreconcilable and will remain so until one side or the other is dead.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 6:46:05 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
We are no longer a single people with common goals.

Which means.. we are no longer a nation.

29 posted on 10/08/2013 6:47:02 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: TomServo
Since the days of Clinton and Repub take over of the House...dems have wanted nothing less than the total demonization and death of any/all opposition.

They have no interest in compromise or negotiation.

They believe they are ideologically and morally superior and righteous and we are the DEVIL.

They are on a RELIGIOUS CRUSADE to exterminate any vestige of TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VALUES and replace it with their Elitist New Age Utopian Big Government Nanny Cradle to Grave Religion.

They want us to die and if natural causes are not quick enough they would gladly facilitate our physical elimination. Their HATRED knows no limits.

30 posted on 10/08/2013 6:48:12 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: central_va
We've suffered enough. The Socialist/communist need to carve off a part of the country and create their socialist utopia.

That's the rub. They're in this for the long haul, and are willing to invest the time and effort to ensnare the entire country into their orbit, not just a part of it.

31 posted on 10/08/2013 6:48:42 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: TomServo

Yes, because the two world views are irreconcilable.


32 posted on 10/08/2013 6:49:47 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Yes. We are of two houses. One wants to live for free on the sweat and toil of the other. The second will not submit. Separation or conflict must come.

Exactly... the populace of the U.S. has to come to the realization that for any part of this country to survive, it has to partition itself somehow. It's rapidly ceasing to function as a 50-state entity.

33 posted on 10/08/2013 6:52:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: TomServo

These are the same people conducting peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, go figure


34 posted on 10/08/2013 6:54:00 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed. Yes. There is very little to no middle ground between us and someone, like the president, who wants to fundamentally transform America.

President Obama sees America as something evil. Our history? That’s full of oppression and inequality, rich taking from the poor, whites enslaving blacks, a nation plundering the rest of the world, etc. The president hates America and seeks to diminish it. Justice to him means using the power of government to impose equality of outcome on all citizens rather than equality of opportunity.

How in the world are we supposed to compromise with that?


35 posted on 10/08/2013 6:59:05 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Conservatives are not anarchists!)
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To: MrB
"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."

Jeff Davis President CSA

36 posted on 10/08/2013 6:59:12 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Besides golfing and taking many multi-million dollar vacations; Obama’s greatest legacy as pResident is ObamaCare.

That’s why its so vital to bring this down. Delay. Defund. Defeat. Destroy. Whatever it takes. Even if America defaults on our debt; even if Obama does go nuclear with Executive Orders that send us into a true economic depression - we must now allow Obamacare.

But the good news? We now see - in the last 10 days that this (bleep) has been active and on the market - that it is already DOA. The signup website is useless and the toll free help-line (1-800-F1*CKYO) is a joke. And the poor slobs that have been able to get quotes though their exchanges are shocked beyond belief at the HUGE increase. Actually, all we conservatives may have to do is sit back and watch as this utter failure just implodes upon itself.

And - I too - am glad to see you online. Hope you have a speedy recovery.


37 posted on 10/08/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: yldstrk
What is it that you think Pat said in his article that makes him such an idiot?
38 posted on 10/08/2013 7:02:05 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I believe so to, Jim. I haven’t been this pissed off in years. I’ve been apathetic and complacent. No more. Glad to see you back - continuing prayers.


39 posted on 10/08/2013 7:02:28 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: TomServo
Divorce is enevitable
40 posted on 10/08/2013 7:08:18 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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