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Pope Francis: Catholic Church must focus beyond "small-minded rules"
CBS ^ | 19 Sep 13 | CBS staff writer

Posted on 09/19/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot

VATICAN CITY Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a lengthy and remarkably blunt interview with La Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S.

John Allen, a senior correspondent with the National Catholic Reporter, told CBS Radio News the pope is not changing church policy but makes it clear that he wants a less judgmental church.

"I think he is conscious that he's at a sort of make-or-break moment where the kind of pope he wants to be - if he wants to affect real change - he's got to be explicit about it," Allen said.

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In the 12,000-word article, Francis expands on his ground-breaking comments over the summer about gays and acknowledges some of his own faults. He sheds light on his favorite composers, artists, authors and films (Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's "La Strada") and says he prays even while at the dentist's office.

But his vision of what the church should be stands out, primarily because it contrasts so sharply with many of the priorities of his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. They were both intellectuals for whom doctrine was paramount, an orientation that guided the selection of a generation of bishops and cardinals around the globe.

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To: Talisker

excellant post.

Lotsa’ condemnation goes on here in the name of Christianity.


121 posted on 09/19/2013 6:07:23 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: svcw

Yeah, I read that and thought last-POPE.


122 posted on 09/19/2013 6:09:08 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cherokee1
most of them show up on Good Friday with a smoky thumb print on their fore head.

Are you saying they don't bathe for six weeks?

123 posted on 09/19/2013 6:18:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (John 15:19)
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To: SkyPilot

NARAL posted a “Thanks to Pope Francis from all pro-choice American women” on their Facebook page. I think I’m gonna be sick.


124 posted on 09/19/2013 6:23:13 PM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping.


125 posted on 09/19/2013 6:28:16 PM PDT by zot
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To: Jeff Chandler

Excellent!

I knew a liberal woman who asked me why the Roman Catholics crucified Jesus.


126 posted on 09/19/2013 6:33:04 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t mean to be rude, but this guy sounds like the obama of the catholic world.


127 posted on 09/19/2013 6:56:34 PM PDT by luvie (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: All

I’m thinking when Jesus got the men to drop their rocks and not stone the woman, some in the crowd thought he was approving of her lifestyle as well.


128 posted on 09/19/2013 6:57:44 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: SkyPilot

That is a wonderful thing to hear!


129 posted on 09/19/2013 7:07:28 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Good for you, ex-hippie.

I disagree that one can be a born again, Spirit-filled Christian and remain in the Catholic church.

That’s all for me.


130 posted on 09/19/2013 7:09:30 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: GreyFriar

I’m not Catholic but do recognize Catholics as my Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Having read the article in context I do agree with you that this is not the Pope endorsing homosexuality or abortion.

However, I do think there is a legitimate criticism of his recent speeches and interviews. He seems very comfortable with proclaiming forgiveness, which is good, but not giving equal time to the requirement of repentance. In essence he is highlighting the part of Jesus that everyone likes...that he forgives our sin and remembers it no more, that he loves all of us and accepts us as we are, and THANK GOD that he does and that the Pope speaks of this. But we do a disservice when we don’t also remind people that there is a directive to change, to repent or literally, to turn and go the other direction. The provision of grace is not an excuse to wallow in our sin.

Again, I am not saying that the Pope is saying this, but I do feel that he is omitting saying this which is leading some to infer that Christianity and homosexuality are compatible. Note, he said he was asked if he approves of homosexuality, not homosexuals. The answer to “do you approve of homosexuality” must always be specifically, directly and unequivocally no. The answer he gives is the correct answer to “do you approve of a homosexual person”, but not homosexuality. Likewise, God loves atheists, but unless they repent of their rebellion against God, how can their be salvation. We can not compromise here as Christians, from the Pope to the low churchman like me. Acts 17:30 tells us that “he commands all men everywhere to repent”.

The Pope is not alone in this omission either. Ask most people what they know about the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery, and they will tell you “ye without sin, cast the first stone”. We like that part...specifically I like that part. But those same people forget that Jesus turned to the woman then, after the forgiveness and grace were bestowed, and told her that she was to “go and sin no more”. Jesus didn’t approve of her sin, he accepted her and forgave it, but he also expected her to change as a result. I don’t think the Pope was meaning to excuse homosexuality or atheism...but he needs to be much clearer in drawing the distinction that while we should go overboard in loving these people in our dealings with them, we must never fool ourselves or allow them to be deceived about our position on the sin.


131 posted on 09/19/2013 7:12:41 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: Bridesheadfan

On Twitter:
@NARAL
Dear Pope Francis, thank you. Signed, #prochoice women


132 posted on 09/19/2013 7:13:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (John 15:19)
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To: icwhatudo

Well, if they did they didn’t hang around for the end of the sermon, when he very clearly told her to stop sinning.


133 posted on 09/19/2013 7:14:08 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: Talisker; jodyel
Your arrogance is breathtaking. Your lust to damn others shames you.

Look who's talking.......

134 posted on 09/19/2013 7:17:40 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: icwhatudo

I’m thinking, that Jesus knew that the woman

a) worked only to survive,

b) would flee Sodom and Gomorrah at the first opportunity,

c) was seeking salvation, and

d) did not desire to return to the line of work.

I’m thinking that the Pope can spend personal time with each family who makes the effort to present themselves well in church -— not to impress anybody, but as a method of conveying to God their love -— yet upon the Pope’s invitation, the church is occupied by a hellish recidivist display of barely clad (if at all) people who

a) do not seek salvation from their repeated acts,

b) do not seek salvation from their *desires* such as to plant themselves immediately next to *your* children in the church,

c) do not seek salvation from their urges to relentlesslya and dogmatically enforcement function as a Nationalizing Thought Police Force WHO ARE IN JUDGMENT OF YOU AND YOURS,

d) do not seek salvation from anything except from the loneliness they feel as they ostracize themselves from ... God’s love.

Yet His love prevails, though they would not sense it *because of their continued resistance to their own salvation.*

Should the church still be open to the recidivist?

Yes.

Though we are asked, and we are taught, to share what we have on earth *but not* to tear away our souls and hand such to those who would devour us.

The recidivist is not coming to the church for what you possess ... The recidivist is coming for *you.*

The people seeking salvation, are coming for *salvation,* not you.

The Pope did not think thru *the consequences* of his statements, which effectively are invites to bring Bourbon Street into the sanctuary.


135 posted on 09/19/2013 7:25:13 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: GreyFriar

You are so right. This was an interview, not a doctrine or a dogma pronounced by the Pope or the Magisterium.


136 posted on 09/19/2013 7:28:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: livius
He’s saying that we don’t start with the negatives first when we’re trying to convert people.

But when you don't clearly and loudly elucidate sin and the boundaries of acceptable behavior as a Christian, you end up encouraging the very sins you hoped (because they offend God and result in loss of souls) to curtail. Witness #74 and also comments to NYT article: The death culture and deviancy lobbies are having an orgiastic field day over this. From my point of view this is not a Catholic success. I am holding my tongue and not saying more out of my duty to papal charity.

137 posted on 09/19/2013 7:28:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: freeangel

I’ve never heard of that happening. Good grief.

Are you sure they weren’t asking you if you would want a listing of your donations for the year for your tax-reporting purposes?


138 posted on 09/19/2013 7:29:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SkyPilot
There goes the entire Church.

Sin is non-negotiable.

139 posted on 09/19/2013 7:32:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little Sgirl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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