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1 posted on 08/18/2013 4:48:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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So much for the belief that all Indians were noble people above committing atrocities.


2 posted on 08/18/2013 4:55:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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When she mentioned she thought there were 15 other white captives at the Indians’ camp, all of them being subjected to a similar fate, the Texan lawmakers and officials said they were detaining the Comanche chiefs while they rescued the others.

While not an unreasonable response under the circumstances, it should be noted this was a violation by the Texans of a safe conduct under flag of truce. It also wasn't a particularly good idea, as it turned out.

3 posted on 08/18/2013 4:58:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Wow. Eye-opening.


4 posted on 08/18/2013 5:01:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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bump


5 posted on 08/18/2013 5:08:32 PM PDT by chasio649
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“...And yet he and his fellow native Americans are presented in the film as saintly victims of a Old West where it is the white settlers — the men who built America — who represent nothing but exploitation, brutality, environmental destruction and genocide...”

The indians slaughtered each other and white settlers with wanton abandon.

Only since the late 60s and 70s - when the Marxists were infiltrating ever facet of our culture - has history been rewritten to portray them as innocent victims of the evil white man.

The left has been very effective at making white people hate their own culture, heritage, and country. We’ve been painted as the root of EVERY ONE else’s problems.

Don’t buy it.

For a good record of the red man’s conduct in America, read “For A Few Acres of Snow” by Robert Leckie (”Helmet For My Pillow”), and “Tribal Wars of the Southern Plains” by Stan Hoig.

Not so peaceful, nor so innocent.


7 posted on 08/18/2013 5:10:46 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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Wonderful post! In leftist history books, the Indians have no faults. As with Zimmerman,we need to set the record straight.


8 posted on 08/18/2013 5:12:18 PM PDT by Socon-Econ
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By most accounts, it would be hard to choose which attacker would be more merciless; Comanche, Khanate Mongol or Tamburlaine Mongol, all of whom were superb light calvary. Their need was to destroy that which threatened their semi-nomadic life and customs, civilization with its farms and towns. Prisoners were only good as slaves or for trading / ransom and then only if there was no opportunity for pursuit. Each of the above were as harsh on their own members as they were on the enemy and generally they had few allies given their behavior(s).


10 posted on 08/18/2013 5:16:00 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government governs best when it governs least!)
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It was a timultuous time. I'd recommend this book to anyone wanting to know more about the Comanches in central Texas.

15 posted on 08/18/2013 5:24:38 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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It was a timultuous time. I'd recommend this book to anyone wanting to know more about the Comanches in central Texas.

16 posted on 08/18/2013 5:24:46 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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Great post.....I am a bit of a early american per-revolution history buff....

Several tribes east of the Mississippi were similar to the Comanche in cruelty....not all.... But Jesuit priests on their missionary journeys in the 1600’s were cruelly tortured in similar manner... While alive...Skin peeled off, fingers eaten off your hands, hot pokers rammed down throats, burned alive, having your beating heart ripped out of your chest and in your last dying moments watching a savage eat it....

Yeah... Them injuns were noble alright . /s


17 posted on 08/18/2013 5:27:29 PM PDT by JZoback
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I refuse to watch The Lone Ranger with Depp. It seems the movie is being pimped solely on Depp being in it as Tonto.

And yes; Indians were savage.


19 posted on 08/18/2013 5:32:21 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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No cable TV back then so torturing captives (white or Indian) was high entertainment for the most savage tribes. The Indian women would participate too. So fun stuff as carefully slitting a captives belly and carefully pulling out some of the intestines. The captive does not die quickly from this. Then cutting up part of his intestines before his eyes, roasting and chowing down on them right in front of him. All in good fun. Indian style fun.


21 posted on 08/18/2013 5:33:29 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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For cryin’ out loud. It was a movie about the Lone Ranger and Tonto. Not a political statement, imho. I heard it wasn’t even a good movie.

At the risk of being hammered...the article references a very different time in history. Everything was violent. Do I think torture was a good thing? Absolutely not. But the Indians fought amongst themselves for territorial rights in the same manner. Why would they not fight against what I’m sure they regarded as invaders taking their land.

The article references the Parkers. There is a good fictional book about Cynthia Parker’s captivity. Ride The Wind. One of my favorites.


24 posted on 08/18/2013 5:39:39 PM PDT by berdie
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http://archive.org/details/indianbattleswit00whituoft


33 posted on 08/18/2013 5:57:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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http://archive.org/details/redeemedcaptive01willgoog


34 posted on 08/18/2013 5:57:48 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1042&context=etas


35 posted on 08/18/2013 5:58:49 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/2011/04/fate-worse-than-death.html


40 posted on 08/18/2013 6:07:54 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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I picked this book up in a small town store. I have ever time I see it somewhere buy all they have and give them away. Great book.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1224046.The_Boy_Captives

In 1871, eleven year old Clinton and his nine year old brother Jefferson were captured by Comanche raiders near their West Texas farm. Jefferson was soon sold to none other than the legendary Apache warrior Geronimo, while Clinton was adopted by Comanche Chief Tasacowadi. For over five years they lived among the two most notorious warrior tribes in North America during one of the most tumultuous eras in American history.


45 posted on 08/18/2013 6:18:53 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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My football coach was Comanche and his Father was the Chief. . I lived on the Red River just South of Comanche County, Oklahoma. My neighbors were directly descended from Quanah Parker. Many of my classmates get monthly checks from the Comanche Casinos and are members of the tribe. The oral history of the Comanche is quite interesting but brutal. The history of Quanah Parker and his Mother is much like the one explored here. Quanah Parker was the last Comanche Chief to lead a war party against the US Cavalry and be successful. Later in life he led his tribe peacefully into the US.
46 posted on 08/18/2013 6:20:44 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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They were hard people living in a hard land. I don’t hate them, and I don’t feel sorry for them. In the words of the great philosopher, Captain Ron, “Yeah, we’ll s**t happens.”


50 posted on 08/18/2013 6:31:16 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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