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The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide about the real-life Tontos .....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | August 18, 2013 | JONATHAN FOREMAN

Posted on 08/18/2013 4:48:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

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To: Blood of Tyrants
So much for the belief that all Indians were noble people above committing atrocities.

But then, hey look at the U.S Calvary and the federalized Colorado Volunteers in Chivington. Or what do Sand Creek and the Washita River mean to the Cheyennes?
41 posted on 08/18/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: little jeremiah

Aztecs = grand scale human sacrifice
Mayans = small scale


42 posted on 08/18/2013 6:14:41 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Socon-Econ
Yeah! Let's set the record straight: The Washita River massacre under Custer and the Sand Creek massacre under Chivington. Let's set the record real clear.
43 posted on 08/18/2013 6:15:19 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: dennisw

read about the pequot war, the wars against the Mohegans and Niantics, often spelled nehantics

The reason so many helped John Mason attack the pequot fort was because the Pequots were slaughtering the mohegans and Nehantics


44 posted on 08/18/2013 6:16:32 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Uncle Chip

I picked this book up in a small town store. I have ever time I see it somewhere buy all they have and give them away. Great book.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1224046.The_Boy_Captives

In 1871, eleven year old Clinton and his nine year old brother Jefferson were captured by Comanche raiders near their West Texas farm. Jefferson was soon sold to none other than the legendary Apache warrior Geronimo, while Clinton was adopted by Comanche Chief Tasacowadi. For over five years they lived among the two most notorious warrior tribes in North America during one of the most tumultuous eras in American history.


45 posted on 08/18/2013 6:18:53 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: Uncle Chip
My football coach was Comanche and his Father was the Chief. . I lived on the Red River just South of Comanche County, Oklahoma. My neighbors were directly descended from Quanah Parker. Many of my classmates get monthly checks from the Comanche Casinos and are members of the tribe. The oral history of the Comanche is quite interesting but brutal. The history of Quanah Parker and his Mother is much like the one explored here. Quanah Parker was the last Comanche Chief to lead a war party against the US Cavalry and be successful. Later in life he led his tribe peacefully into the US.
46 posted on 08/18/2013 6:20:44 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: RaceBannon

Pequots (Mashentucket) now own the biggest Indian casino in America


47 posted on 08/18/2013 6:22:30 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Sherman Logan
this was a violation by the Texans of a safe conduct ...not exactly one sided though.. these chiefs had been denying they held this girl, or any others captive for over two years...so it was they who violated the terms ...
48 posted on 08/18/2013 6:24:54 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Sherman Logan
this was a violation by the Texans of a safe conduct ...not exactly one sided though.. these chiefs had been denying they held this girl, or any others captive for over two years...so it was they who violated the terms ...
49 posted on 08/18/2013 6:24:59 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Uncle Chip

They were hard people living in a hard land. I don’t hate them, and I don’t feel sorry for them. In the words of the great philosopher, Captain Ron, “Yeah, we’ll s**t happens.”


50 posted on 08/18/2013 6:31:16 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Uncle Chip

Indian massacre of 1622, depicted as a woodcut by Matthaeus Merian, 1628.

At least one quarter of the white population of Virginia was massacred that day.

Such peace-loving people, they were. /s

51 posted on 08/18/2013 6:32:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: ansel12

I recently read, “The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl” [Timothy Egan]

In the book it was pointed out that the bison were slaughtered as a measure to help stop the Indian tradition of following the bison and the migration of tribes throughout the land. Interesting!


52 posted on 08/18/2013 6:34:48 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: virgil283

Plenty of blame to go around. But the Comanche were observing their own cultural rules, and the Texans broke theirs.

Admittedly, as I said, under extreme provocation.


53 posted on 08/18/2013 6:35:41 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: dennisw

all because of the phony news that said they were almost wiped out by white men...not telling the whole story, which is in the links I posted


54 posted on 08/18/2013 6:47:28 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: RaceBannon

Mashentucket Pequots are really blacks with some Pequot blood. Am I right on this? Or they are about 50% black and 50% Indian?

years ago I read a long article how their leader got this rag-tag dispersed bunch Federal tribal recognition which was difficult but essential. They got the casino going from this.


55 posted on 08/18/2013 6:56:33 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Uncle Chip

Reading Gwynne book now. A great read. Also is
The Last Captive, Lehmann? and Captive, Zesch.

Last Captive is by the captive Hermann Lehmann and
his experiences as a white Comanche. Died in the late
40s in Houston. Zesch’s book tells about the story
of his great uncle’s captivity. Zesch explains that
after about 6 weeks the white became an indian. They
were never the same.

So far, from Gwynne’s book i better understand Mexico’s
“misguided immigration policy of inviting Anglo settlers
to create a buffer between Mexico and the Comanche”,

and

the striking distance of the Comanche by explaining that
a settler sitting in his cabin or adobe in San Antone was
in danger from a Comanche sitting at his campfire in present
day OK City.


56 posted on 08/18/2013 6:57:40 PM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: Uncle Chip

Interesting. I am shocked—SHOCKED, tell you—that, while taking Depp to task for the incorrect portrayal of the historical Comanches, the article never once mentioned that Promontory Point, Utah is NOT REALLY IN TEXAS; and neither are the hard rock Sierra silver mines! Then, there’s the little “gaffe” of 10-20 shot 6-guns, and several other ‘inaccuracies’.

IT WAS A PARODY OF ALL THINGS 30s-40s-50s HOLLYWOOD-WESTERN, AND SATURDAY MATINEE SERIAL! (Even Perils of Pauline & other melodramas was in there.)

It also had classic bits from Keystone Cops, Laurel & Hardy; and later shows such as F-Troop, and others odds & ends thrown in. The beginning and ending were very much Ray Bradbury.

Had it been released 30 years ago, there may have been enough people in the audience to recognize, understand, and appreciate it. We laughed our way through the whole thing, thoroughly enjoying it.

And true to the genre it lampooned, the hero got his horse, not the girl; and all the blood, guts, and gore were either implied or recounted, but not shown; or were totally sanitized. Even the ‘cutting out and eating of the heart’ incident was almost totally bloodless.


57 posted on 08/18/2013 7:02:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Uncle Chip
Just a few thoughts on the subject as I noted the historic date of the Michilimackinac Massacre. For it was in 1763 exactly 250 years ago. Just about 55 miles south down from Sault Ste Marie,Canada is the old fort in Lower Michigan. What a great recreation of the old days they have. Anyone who can make it should try to visit.

The Ojiway Indians were indulging in friendly competitions with the Sauk Indians. They got into the fort when the English commander was convinced they were peaceful. The Indians massacred all the English and spared the French-Canadians. One Englishman, a trader called Alexander Henry begged a lady to hide him. He heard the screams of the tortured people as he hid in terror.

Ok, that is enough history from me. I have nothing but admiration for the Constitution of the United States in that it decrees, "there shall be no cruel and unusual punishment" or close to that. For it was the dreadful tortures visited on Englishmen in England that must have revolted their souls.

I refer to the likes of one Richard Topcliffe, the integrator on behalf of Elizabeth 1st. The psychopath knew how to avoid having his victim going into shock and thus feeling little pain. He tortured a Catholic priest for four hours on Tower Hill.

"Man's inhumanity to man, makes countless thousands mourn"
Robert Burns.

58 posted on 08/18/2013 7:15:12 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Uncle Chip

The Comanches knew how to deal with illegal immigration.


59 posted on 08/18/2013 7:19:43 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: JZoback

Allan W Eckert wrote a series of books about the Indian wars in the Ohio Valley. The Comanche’s were just up to par with all of that.


60 posted on 08/18/2013 7:27:04 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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