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Lavabit (email service) owner fears arrest for non-compliance after secret surveillance order
RT ^ | 8/17/13

Posted on 08/18/2013 4:37:52 AM PDT by Libloather

The owner of the encrypted email service used by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden says he could face criminal charges for refusing to comply with a secret federal court order issued last week.

Ladar Levison abruptly shut down his company, Lavabit LLC, last week to avoid being forced to hand over customers’ personal information and communications.

James Trump, a senior litigation counsel at the US attorney’s office in Alexandria, Virginia, contacted Levinson’s lawyer on August 8 - the day Levinson ended Lavabit’s services, NBC News reported. The attorney was told that Levison had “violated the court order,” leading to speculation that he may be charged with contempt of court.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: benghazi; edwardsnowden; email; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; ladarlevison; lavabit; lavabitllc; nsa; secret
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You better stay open or else. That's new.

Well, Hussein did pimp transparency - yours.

1 posted on 08/18/2013 4:37:52 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Finally, a good use for ACLU litigators. Discovery alone should be prime time fascinating.


2 posted on 08/18/2013 4:40:21 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Libloather

3 posted on 08/18/2013 4:53:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: muir_redwoods

4 posted on 08/18/2013 4:54:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: muir_redwoods
Discovery alone should be prime time fascinating.

I would expect the Star Chamber to seal everything. The Bush-Obama team has pretty much done away with the Constitutional rights that we grew up with.

5 posted on 08/18/2013 4:55:01 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: muir_redwoods
Methinks the gummint is playin' games with a war ... WITH .. terror.

Scared people do oft times irrational things, many times drastic, and mostly deadly.

Young boys and men learn ... well .. they USED TO learn .. because they WERE boys and men .... not to approach a cornered enemy ... his back is to the wall and he's desperate to live or get home that night.


The gummint is forcing people into corners and using the court is only a delay.


The Gummint Must Be Stopped

6 posted on 08/18/2013 4:57:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Travis McGee

one of the two entrepreneurs that closed secure email corps last week said what they threatened was so secret he could not even tell his lawyer what he was threatened with.


7 posted on 08/18/2013 4:59:06 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: muir_redwoods

0 doesn’t like to be told “no”. Possible outcomes:

a. Feds just go to NSA who already has his whole website downloaded already
b. Ladar doesn’t come into work and is never seen again.
c. Feds get a search warrant and raid his office, Ladar later receives a tax audit notice and occassionally notices his phone is acting “funny”
D. All of the above.


8 posted on 08/18/2013 4:59:30 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: omega4179

Shut up and be a good comrade, or they might “find” criminal activity on your computer.

(And they can go back for years looking for it. And your phone calls.)

Welcome to the USSA.


9 posted on 08/18/2013 5:05:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Libloather
This is exactly what Snowden blew wide open - they want his records and they demand EVERYONE's records...

While folks differ on their opinion of him, I believe more every day that he did us a favor and if our "interests" are hurt, so be it. We (the current government and its supporters) have become Chicago low-life, gutter sludge both at home and on the world stage.

10 posted on 08/18/2013 5:05:45 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: omega4179

> one of the two entrepreneurs that closed secure email corps last week said what they threatened was so secret he could not even tell his lawyer what he was threatened with

A. Microwaved with their new citizen heat gun?
B. Soon to be able to see his own balls without bending over?
C. Forced to work as servant for NAACP or Black Panther Party headquarters for a year and say, “yes, massah” when given an order?
D. Disguised as goat and sent over to al Quaida or Muslim Brotherhood camps?


11 posted on 08/18/2013 5:06:40 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Libloather

C’mon Anonymous! Give ‘em hell!


12 posted on 08/18/2013 5:07:24 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Libloather

It’s Obama’s job creation program. Forcing businesses to stay open.


13 posted on 08/18/2013 5:07:27 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: omega4179
"one of the two entrepreneurs that closed secure email corps last week said what they threatened was so secret he could not even tell his lawyer what he was threatened with."

Moving toward old style tyranny: The black cars and agents come in the night and the target disappears. Time to read The Gulag Archipelago.

14 posted on 08/18/2013 5:08:19 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: trebb

Regarless of what the media has portrayed Snowden as I think his initial intentions were good


15 posted on 08/18/2013 5:08:39 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Libloather

If The court is is contenptable, is there a crime of contempt of court?


16 posted on 08/18/2013 5:09:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Libloather

Levison should wage a very public fight against these government goons-—they hate that and will back down.


17 posted on 08/18/2013 5:10:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: omega4179

Its time to really, truly, and seriously man up, put your life on the line, and say F YOU and spill your guts on these government threats.

Go public and go all out.

I seriously would. I am so pissed.


18 posted on 08/18/2013 5:15:06 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Crazieman
I seriously would.

In what circumstances?

19 posted on 08/18/2013 5:20:32 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Libloather

Look, we all better darn well wake up to the fact that the FISA court is a violation of our Constitution and Rights of the Citizen in so many ways as to be a valid enough reason to demand it be shutdown or over thrown. (Did ya’ get these keystrokes there NSA folks!) I used some dangerous words there...

Why does a ‘jury of our peers’ matter to the average citizen? Why was there ever amendments written INTO LAW to protect us from such an overreach by government? Those amendments are not ‘guidelines!’ They are the core and whole of the foundation of our Law and the very thing our elected leaders have sworn to uphold AND DEFEND us against those who would abuse power, in the very manner we see being foisted upon us today.

The government would not need to fear their citizens, if the elected leaders followed the law themselves.

Today, make today, the day we say to our government that ‘secret’ courts and ‘secret’ court orders hold no meaning or legal authority over an American Citizen. We must let them know we will no longer tolerate the government’s intrusions into our conversations, dialogues, discussion forums, email, phones, letters, or our very lives without appropriate due process of law IN AN OPEN COURT as guaranteed by our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Secret courts belong to the lands of paranoid dictators and usurpers of political power. Secret courts have no business being perpetrated upon a freeman or sovereign republic nation.


20 posted on 08/18/2013 5:20:36 AM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: Libloather

Secret courts and secret police are not American. They are the institutions of oppression, used by the Soviets, the Nazis, and every other dictator in history.


21 posted on 08/18/2013 5:27:52 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

FISA.

In May, 0bama disbanded his national intelligence IPAB. PIAM. Whatever. WHO is running national intelligence? Clapper the Muslim? Jarrett, the Shirazi? The MB? The IRGC?


22 posted on 08/18/2013 5:30:22 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Libloather
You better stay open or else. That's new.

It's a new addition to "you better buy or else".

23 posted on 08/18/2013 5:32:02 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: Libloather
In 1474, Peter von Hagenbach was put on trial for atrocities committed under his command but not by him directly.
Hagenbach defended himself by arguing that he was only following orders.
His defense was rejected, and he was convicted and beheaded.

The claim used by nazi defendents during the Nuremburg trials that "an order is an order" (Befehl ist Befehl)
was also rejected by the court.














24 posted on 08/18/2013 5:35:48 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

In February 1945, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was arrested for writing derogatory comments in private letters to a friend about the conduct of the war by Joseph Stalin.

He was accused of anti-Soviet propaganda and “founding a hostile organization” under Article 58 paragraph 10 and 11 of the Soviet criminal code.

Solzhenitsyn was taken to the Lubyanka prison in Moscow, where he was interrogated.

On 7 July 1945, he was sentenced in his absence by Special Council of the NKVD to an eight-year term in a labor camp.


25 posted on 08/18/2013 5:54:29 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: PAR35
Actually, the erosion of the constitution began long before Bush.

The 16th amendment, allowing the federal government to collect income taxes, passed in 1909. This gave tremendous power to the federal government that was never intended by the founders.

The 17th amendment, allowing direct election of senators, was passed in 1912. It eroded states rights.

When the progressives found that they could amend the constitution to prohibit alcohol consumption (even though it was later repealed), they knew they were off to the races. If you can get an amendment to alter people's behavior to that extent, you can do anything.

Later amendments to allow women the vote, and to extend the vote to 18 year olds brought two huge voting blocks into play who would be easy for progressives to manipulate.

You can blame Bush if you want, but this trend started over a century ago. The blame goes all the way back to Woodrow Wilson, democrat, racist, progressive.

Under a legal amendment process, Americans have morphed their representative republic into a mobocracy. Empires rise and fall, see Rome. I figure we are at about 230 AD and heading fast for a fall.

26 posted on 08/18/2013 6:00:25 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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To: Jeff Winston
Secret courts and secret police are not American.

They are now, compliments of the Kenyan and the political mobsters, namely the Democrat Party and the GOPe.....................

27 posted on 08/18/2013 6:02:33 AM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: trebb

I am with you, I am disgusted by what America has become


28 posted on 08/18/2013 6:15:22 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Truth29

Whittaker Chambers said the same thing in Witness, that in any town at any time you could be disappeared


29 posted on 08/18/2013 6:16:07 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: omega4179

I’ve had a security clearance continually since I was 18 years old - 45 years. In no instance where I was made privy to an official secret with a validated need to know did I do so without having been first required to sign an agreement beforehand which stipulated the requirements and penalties - and the term for which I was responsible for this.

The government cannot walk up to you, tell you something ‘super secret’ and then ‘threaten punishment’.

They have to brief you beforehand get your signature on something that acknowledges you know what’s what. Legally, that is. If they are operating outside the law like this then they are traitors, our enemy.

If they did this to me and I had not signed anything I’d tell them “f@ck you”. I don’t care if there is a Patriot Act, or if there is a FISA court - they can take me to Guantanamo or wherever then, but I won’t comply.


30 posted on 08/18/2013 6:16:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: EBH

The administration is demonstrating the reasons for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution


31 posted on 08/18/2013 6:17:09 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gaffer

You won’t get to go to Gitmo...

You’ll go to one of these facilities:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_fema02.htm


32 posted on 08/18/2013 8:43:32 AM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: Travis McGee

You realize the irony and stupidity of that cartoon is that it’s impossible to use information against you if it’s hidden from the court.


33 posted on 08/18/2013 9:13:53 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Libloather; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

You do NOT have the right to remain silent, we can compel testimony on any subject at any time of our choosing.

You do NOT have the right to view any government documents pertaining to your case

You do NOT have the right to view any documents pertaining to the legitimate standing of any elected or appointed official...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

34 posted on 08/18/2013 10:00:41 AM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Truth29
Moving toward old style tyranny: The black cars and agents come in the night and the target disappears.

According to an old soviet refugee friend of mine, anyone who noticed they were not around was told "He went on a long trip."...

35 posted on 08/18/2013 10:04:06 AM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: null and void

Patriot Act, Patriot Act II and Sister Act.

All your constitutional rights are voided.

Anyone else still defend this monstrosity as “But, it’s for the children! You want to keep children safe don’t you?”


36 posted on 08/18/2013 10:06:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Principled

Anonymous loves homosexuals. They will not go after Odinga out of sisterhood.


37 posted on 08/18/2013 10:10:57 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


38 posted on 08/18/2013 10:19:13 AM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: Vendome
Anyone else still defend this monstrosity as “But, it’s for the children! You want to keep children safe don’t you?”

My reply is thus:

"Yes. I want to keep children safe. I want them never to know detention centers, re-education camps, or the moral wasteland that Leftists like YOU have created everywhere you've been in charge."

39 posted on 08/18/2013 10:26:22 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: jsanders2001

RE: Item D.

Search warrant? What the Hell do they THAT for?


40 posted on 08/18/2013 10:29:39 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Vendome
Anyone else still defend this monstrosity as “But, it’s for the children! You want to keep children safe don’t you?”

All the while screaming for the right to murder a baby in the womb.

Where there is no cognitive, there is no cognitive dissonance.

41 posted on 08/18/2013 10:30:03 AM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Er, What the Hell do they need THAT for?


42 posted on 08/18/2013 10:30:39 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: null and void

Thinking about what you just posted, these are the SAME people who see a “Right to privacy” in the Constitution...

to murder the unborn...

But not to prevent the government from unconstitutionally spying on you.

No cognitive=idiots.


43 posted on 08/18/2013 10:33:05 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Libloather

Wait til’ Obummercare kicks in. All you Dr.s out there better be ready for a frog march to your office if you’re even thinking about retirement.


44 posted on 08/18/2013 10:58:38 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Psalm 112)
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To: Truth29
Moving toward old style tyranny: The black cars and agents come in the night and the target disappears. Time to read The Gulag Archipelago.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


45 posted on 08/18/2013 11:28:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: Alas Babylon!; null and void

The answer is clear. Somebody needs to put their internet encryption business inside somebody’s womb where nobody can EVER have anything to say about it.


46 posted on 08/18/2013 11:36:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Alas Babylon!; null and void

The answer is clear. Somebody needs to put their internet encryption business inside somebody’s womb where nobody can EVER have anything to say about it.


47 posted on 08/18/2013 11:37:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: EternalVigilance

The Alinsky media is all about calling us crazy if we say what the real situation is. The Soros machine cunningly forced the “conservative” media to buy into this tactic by getting them to one-by-one ridicule the “birthers” who saw that 2008 was a coup in which foreign and domestic enemies illegally and through the use of crimes and threats installed a foreign enemy combatant into our White House. Once the “conservatives” swallowed the line that “birthers” had to be wrong because coordinated criminality on the part of the government could never happen, they made it safe for the government to do whatever coordinated criminality they wanted, since anybody who noticed and/or reported it would be hoist on their own petard. The only people still qualified to say anything are the “crazy birthers” - who have been maligned and libeled by everybody else.

To get us back to square one where the truth even matters, a whole lotta people who bought into the Alinsky attacks on “birthers” need to fess up and start over. That will be the turning point in this nation, and we will not be able to turn around until that happens.


48 posted on 08/18/2013 11:45:56 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

There is no conservative media.

Most of the media somebodies in the major networks are members of CFR, Trilateral or other supranational organizations.

I’m sure it’s just for business connections and stuff. Nothing nefarious or anything...


49 posted on 08/18/2013 11:48:47 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

So how do we GET a conservative media that is not afraid to tell the truth and that reaches large numbers of people? How do we get REAL freedom of the press - where the people speaking are actually free to say what is true?


50 posted on 08/18/2013 11:51:59 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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