RG3: Gay players should come out [NFL pro-sodomite QB claims to be Christian, but....]

Fox Sports ^ | 8/14/13

[SoFloFreeper]

Robert Griffin III thinks the time is now for gay players to come out.

The Redskins star quarterback told GQ magazine that he feels the "window is now" for gay players.

"I think there are [gay players] right now, and if they're looking for a window to just come out, I mean, now is the window," said Griffin, who is recovering from offseason knee surgery. "My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin, then thinking about other women, committing adultery—or any of those other sins that are in the Bible—those are sins, too. And God looks at all of us the same way."

[Ohioan]

Wardaddy:

You pinged me, I assume for a comment.

While I do not claim to be a theologian, I have frequently quoted the Bible in response to the contrived issues on such oxymorons as "same sex marriage," the efforts to force the Boy Scouts to accept men who reject traditional male behavior as male role models, and other ridiculous examples of the asexual assault on normal human sex roles.

I think the theological emphasis in this particular thread is quite proper, because of the way in which RG3 framed his remarks. However, I certainly agree with your point that one does not have to be sexually pure to rightfully disdain socially destructive behavior on moral grounds.

That said, I would add this. The case against the flaunting of what I describe as "asexual behavior," which would include not only the muscular exercises that homosexuals may engage in, in place of physical involvement with the opposite sex, but the Feminist attack on all things truly feminine, while certainly an immense moral issue, is also an immensely important secular issue as well.

In a healthy society, the goal of the teenaged boy to be an honorable & chivalric man, to be worthy of the love of a lovely young woman; as the goal of a well brought up teenaged girl, to be a model of honorable femininity, to someday be the loyal & supportive wife of an honorable & chivalric man, are the stuff that brings out the best--the societal best--in each sex. Is this really debatable? Does anyone, regardless of theology or lack of theology, really have a rational argument for encouraging what is going on right now, where the romantic ideal of civilized peoples throughout history is being openly trashed in the schools, in the media & in entertainment; even by a "President" who proclaims a second tier athlete who "came out of the closet" his hero, twice in one week?

RG3 is a natural athlete; but neither a philosopher, theologian, or public spokesman. He may be forgiven for a half thought out comment. President Obama? Hardly!

William Flax

[nathanbedford]

I endorse everything that William flax said in his reply #261.

We should consider that this is first a political forum, albeit a conservative political forum, and that implies that we should think about the political implications of these matters.

In other words do we make politics out of culture? Do we try to impose our cultural views, in this case our religious views concerning sex, on the culture by way of enacting laws?

I'm not sure what we have been doing works, indeed, it might even be counterproductive. The apostles of the Frankfurt School set about to undermine the culture which upheld the political system against the onslaught of communism. Particularly, they sought to undermine the family, the role of the father, impose militant feminism, advanced recreational sex, promote abortion-in short promote everything which undermines faith and ultimately the political structure.

In doing so they align themselves in the eyes of the youth with enlightened attitudes about sex. Conservatives naturally resist these overtures and in the eyes of youth they are regarded as Puritans intruding themselves into the privacy of the bedroom.

This is a battle we are losing. Justice in our cause, logic of our arguments, prudence of a righteous lifestyle and the imprudence of a profligate lifestyle, all have little impact on these young voters. Think Sandra Fluke.

The point is that we have to decide where we want the criminal law to intervene and where we must let culture take its course. I have long advocated that the test should be the existence or absence of an identifiable victim. Thus, living in Germany and having seen legalized, prostitution and having compared with what I saw in America, I conclude that the German system works better. On the other hand, I am unalterably opposed to abortion because of the undeniable reality of a victim, and a helpless victim at that.

Applying this rule across the board might, repeat "might," just improve our chances at the polling booths and in the long run have a more salubrious effect on the culture than the losing battle we are currently waging.

The apostles of The Frankfurt School knew that they must change politics by changing culture from the bottom up. We conservatives who, if nothing else believe in the primacy of the individual, have somehow sought to control the culture from the top down by the enactment of criminal laws. Perhaps we should rethink the political implications of our faith and learn to draw a distinction between what we attempt to achieve in our lives and through our influence and what we try to impose through the criminal law.

[HiTech RedNeck]

You’re assuming that Redneck is assuming...

Here’s something which might cut through your fog (or it might not, but I leave that to God’s design and timing). It isn’t several hundred pages long either. But it points out that the thing that cuts through the problem you have with “man made religion” is HOLINESS. Tell me, where is the HOLINESS in the system you have? There is none. God will generously forgive in order to preserve holiness, but there has to be holiness to preserve.

http://realtruthmatters.com/manuscripts/the_danger_of_gods_holiness.php

[Ohioan]

I, in turn, agree with most of the distinctions that you suggest.

I will make this point, that while the Left may try to paint Conservatives as "puritans," history & reality are quite different. While we believe in keeping private things, private; this leads to a freer society than the muck-raking into everyone's business that goes along with the Leftist efforts to collectivize everything--politically & socially. Historically, it was the Old South that rejected the Puritan culture of New England, and allowed far greater social freedom--a fact now deliberately overlooked in the Leftist effort to discredit traditional American culture.

What the Left has done in their promotion of promiscuity, no fault divorce, no obligation pregnancy, terminated by killing the baby, etc., is not to actually make people freer. Rather they have undermined responsibility, while killing romance. Thus you have so many in the younger generation now avoiding the lifestyle most consistent both to human happiness & an ongoing social order.

The Left has succeeded in replacing the Doris Day image of a young woman singing that "she enjoys being a girl," with the image of an aggressive dyke feeling persecuted because she still encounters some of us "neanderthals" who still recognize the reality that the sexes are functionally different--and that all human life, as an ongoing proposition--depends upon those differences.

See Feminist War On Love & Reason.

William Flax

[TArcher]

No, your ASSUMING is self-evident.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Why wouldn’t Pike’s work’s assuming also be “self evident”?

The assuming you accuse me of isn’t “self evident” at all. The things that the Declaration of Independence called self evident were only so because of the light of God. Where is the light of God in your scheme? You cannot show me the light of God. The light of God raises up. Your work only pulls down. It has many words of criticism. None of encouragement, except to encourage keeping up the total blasting no matter what the worship environment and what was seen in it. That is a bad blasphemy of God, my friend.

If you expect perfection in this decaying creation you will not see it except in God piercing through. But if you complain about God piercing through in an imperfect church environment, you will complain about God piercing through to you as well, for you are imperfect as well.

Anyhow, you appear to be in a bondage of a mental loop that you can never break and keeps pulling you down, down, down.

But God can break that loop. If you allow Him in. Where is the joy that the bible speaks of? That is the sign of God. You have no joy. Only grimness.

[HiTech RedNeck]

P.S. Friend, I wish you joy.

Not just happiness.

Joy!

Maybe the nearest secular term we would have for it is gusto. But it is an eager pleasure that seeks to build up and strengthen. If and when you permit yourself to encounter it (you only have to stop saying no to God in order to encounter it, and God may have to smash you into a corner before you will stop) you will find that it is spiritually unique. The bible is not woofing when it says the joy of the Lord is your strength. The devil only has grimness. His pleasure is in tearing things down, which Pike does quite energetically. The Lord comes in kindness and builds you up. But He may have to smack you down first before you will let Him in.

I wish you God’s blessings and joy.

[TArcher]

Another post that’s full of ASSUMPTIONs.

Just because someone refuses to parrot your delusion doesn’t mean they have no joy — maybe that’s just the effect YOU render.

I find Pike’s work useful because it brings to light certain historical facts regarding recycled religious symbolism and dogma. It’s also useful because it helps to understand the context many of the American founders were operating within — as illustrated by the temple they built one mile North of the White Hut.

[HiTech RedNeck]

OK, you get a certain amount of pleasure in taking down what you see as pretentious people.

But notice that your pleasure in this even extends to me, and I haven’t done any of the things Pike accuses of, as far as can be ascertained. If you don’t like sun and moon, I will gladly say galaxies or any other thing that modern science has revealed — the universe is full of this stuff. I am not stuck on sun or moon, those are just two examples.

Do you notice you are stuck in a room with a heavy lid on it?

There is no lid on my room.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Your idea of goodness is very small. You turn up your nose at a God who made the entire universe. As far as you are concerned, goodness is confined to the small area of your scrutiny.

Let the lid off of your world view. The things that are good within your view are good because of an infinitely higher God, the Creator that was spoken of in the Declaration of Independence. Did God do any good thing that is better than the scope of what you are looking at? You’d never know it if you never investigated. And this Pike appears to be cowing you into not investigating because oh my, the devil might be there. Well guess what. Who is bigger. God, or the devil? Don’t let the devil make you cower. God will get you past the devil if you call on Him. You will be amazed.

[TArcher]

[Do you notice you are stuck in a room with a heavy lid on it?]

My refusal to parrot your religious delusion does not render any such lid.

The only lid in the room is the one you’re trying to pull out of your pretentious ASSumption.

[HiTech RedNeck]

My, you appear to be looking to take down any little perceived flaw you see.

That’s the road to hell my friend. Not the road to heaven.

You are the one assuming here. Assuming that I must be a slave to some “recycled religion.”

I am not. I am a portable Christian. But, I do insist on Jesus Christ and I have proven Him out. You are stuck in a small confined region. If that statement is not true, show how you are not stuck in a small confined region, please?

I just want to help you get out of that small confined region and no, I do not want to enslave you to any “recycled religion.” I want to point to where the true God actually did come through, and remains visible in spite of the worst human efforts to obscure Him. As the bible says, the light shined in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it. Tell me, where is this light? I’m telling you where it is. Because some light is false, that does not mean all light is false. And there are biblical tests for the devil. It’s more than just “oh, I saw some light therefore it has to be infernal.”

[HiTech RedNeck]

Besides, to see the lid, I simply invite you to look up. If all you see is devil... there is a lid.

[TArcher]

[You turn up your nose at a God who made the entire universe.]

 

No, I turn up my nose at your religiously ASSUMPTIVE demand that your vociferous, self-admiring, dogmatic representation of Him must be parroted to your liking.

 

As usual, you succinctly illustrate Jefferson's point:

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;"

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

My joyful, lidless, relationship with the one who created me doesn't need your certification or approval.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Well at this juncture we must agree that we disagree.

(Jesus Christ in fact did see a “devil and a lid.” So it is not surprising that since He is my master and Satan is currently yours, you should wish such a curse at me. It is totally spiritually characteristic. However Christ arose. The devil is stuck with hell.)

I still wish you blessings. Not approvals — not one bit, not one moment — but blessings.

I turn this over now to the Lord Jesus Christ whether you finally yield to Him (which is what I hope) or rebel (if the Lord deems to allow it, I will accept it).

Good bye.

[Nifster]

‘You said only those without sin’ no I did not. And that is the biggest point and lesson. Putting words into another’s mouth (or post) always costs you any argument you might have had

[Nifster]

will do

[TArcher]

>>I simply invite you to look up

I don't need your invitation to do that.

And when I look up, and out, I see not a lid or devils but simply the Sun and Creation's orderly magnificence.

Prov 8:27-31
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. NIV

[TArcher]

[So it is not surprising that since He is my master and Satan is currently yours, you should wish such a curse at me]

Liar.