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Michael Medved: The GOP's 'Strong Conservative' Electoral Fantasy
Wall Street Journal ^ | 08/09/2013 | Michael Medved

Posted on 08/12/2013 9:24:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Against all logic, some prominent conservatives continue to promote the absurd proposition that right-wing candidates who fail to win over GOP voters in Republican primaries would magically succeed on November ballots. This assumption enables them to retain a naive faith in the claim that "true conservatives" who can't mobilize their own base to win nominations will somehow triumph in general elections by drawing support from moderates and liberals.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has most recently voiced this idea. "You know, if you look at the last 40 years, a consistent pattern emerges," Mr. Cruz observed in a July interview with ABC. "Any time Republicans nominate a candidate for president who runs as a strong conservative, we win. And when we nominate a moderate who doesn't run as a conservative, we lose."

Really? In 1988, George H.W. Bush sought the presidency by promising to deliver a "kinder, gentler" America. Despite the opposition of most conservatives (who passionately preferred Jack Kemp, Pat Robertson or even Bob Dole in the primaries), Mr. Bush crushed Michael Dukakis in the general election and swept 40 states and 426 electoral votes—the last Republican candidate to win the presidency decisively.

Mr. Bush's son won the White House twice by running as a "compassionate conservative" who had worked amicably with Democrats as Texas governor. Pledging he'd be a "uniter, not a divider," George W. Bush favored increases in federal education spending, a Medicare benefit for prescription drugs and immigration reform that included a path to citizenship.

Richard Nixon's first term featured wage/price controls, the imposition of affirmative action, intensified environmental regulations, and compromise agreements with Communist regimes in China, Russia and North Vietnam. One conscientious conservative congressman, John Ashbrook of Ohio, challenged "Republican in name only" Nixon in the 1972 GOP primaries with the slogan "No Left Turns,"

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1 posted on 08/12/2013 9:24:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

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2 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:29 AM PDT by Borges
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To: SeekAndFind

MM has well, I am not sure but he is not who he once was.


3 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:39 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SeekAndFind

O.K. Mike, no need to change strategy.

The path to victory is paved with the likes of Romney, McCain, and Dole.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:40 AM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He may or may not realize it. If he says that constitutional principles will no longer sell in America, he is saying that he believes America as a constitutional republic is dying or dead.

This may be true. If it is, he should for the sake of clarity say so.


5 posted on 08/12/2013 9:29:51 AM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

Well then Michael, lets just run as democrats and be done with it.


6 posted on 08/12/2013 9:31:41 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.michaelmedved.com/column/true-conservatives-win-every-time-is-alas-only-a-fantasy/


7 posted on 08/12/2013 9:31:50 AM PDT by Borges
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To: marron

Agreed. That is indeed what he is saying. Sadly, it is also very very true.


8 posted on 08/12/2013 9:32:05 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind
"In 1988, George H.W. Bush sought the presidency by promising to deliver a "kinder, gentler" America. Despite the opposition of most conservatives (who passionately preferred Jack Kemp, Pat Robertson or even Bob Dole in the primaries),"

Hogwash. Bush ran as a strong, "kinder and gentler" conservative in that election and ran a very conservative campaign. His team often referred to it as being Reagan's third term. Remember "Read my lips"? - That was a conservative promise not to raise taxes. If was Bush's failure to govern as a conservative that cost him a second term becasue he broke his promises.

9 posted on 08/12/2013 9:32:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind
Medved's so full of it, if he ever had an enema, he would have to be buried in a shoebox.

In 1988, George H.W. Bush sought the presidency by promising to deliver a "kinder, gentler" America. Despite the opposition of most conservatives (who passionately preferred Jack Kemp, Pat Robertson or even Bob Dole in the primaries), Mr. Bush crushed Michael Dukakis in the general election and swept 40 states and 426 electoral votes—the last Republican candidate to win the presidency decisively.

Yeah, and that's because Bush ran as a continuation of Reagan's policies. When he jerked back to his RINO roots in governance, he paved the way for a very weak (at the time) Bill Clinton.

Medved loves the Doles, McCains, and Romneys of wobbly class. He loves losing.

10 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:30 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (We're past the tipping point - the only variable is the rate of decline)
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To: Third Person

And that path is paved with most supposed conservatives that will run out, vote for them, and argue to the death it is the conservative thing to do.

I cannot imagine why the GOP keeps running evermore leftist candidates....nope. Not a clue.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:40 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

“Reagan himself (whose gubernatorial record of...endorsement of legalized abortion”

Is this true?


12 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:43 AM PDT by Borges
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RE: The rest of the article is not viewable to non-subscribers.

Try this link and click on the first item that comes up:

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13 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I quite listening to Medved fifteen years ago when he was peddling the tripe that the US cannot enforce its immigration law because it would be physically impossible to deport that many people.

You don't need to deport one, single illegal alien, Mikey.

All you have to do is stop giving them free stuff as prize for making it across the border.

14 posted on 08/12/2013 9:33:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: SeekAndFind
He’s using the term “right-wing” instead of “conservative”. That indicates a return to a left-wing stance. I guess he likes his comfy spot as token “conservative” for the Daily Therion . . .
15 posted on 08/12/2013 9:34:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Borges

RE: “Reagan himself (whose gubernatorial record of...endorsement of legalized abortion”

Is this true?

_______________

Yes, as governor of CA, he signed into law an abortion bill, which he later regretted.

He also signed into law as president, one of America’s most generous amnesty bill in 1987. Which he again expressed regret for later.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 9:35:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

RE: I quite listening to Medved fifteen years ago when he was peddling the tripe that the US cannot enforce its immigration law because it would be physically impossible to deport that many people.

He still holds to that view today.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 9:36:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks, I added Medved to my list!

(Of “experts pundits” that I no longer need to waste time reading or listening to.)


18 posted on 08/12/2013 9:36:21 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Typical whitewashing. Bush won in ‘88 as a continuation of Reagan and won in landslide. When he ran on his own moderation, he lost.

Nixon in both ‘68 and ‘72 ran as a law and order, to hell with the hippies conservative. And the conservative movement was just getting its footing when Nixon ran.

It is only since 1976 that the real record should be looked at i.e. Reagan’s challenge to Ford. Ford lost barely, Reagan won big, then big again, and Bush won on Reagan. Bush lost, Dole lost, Bush won barely and then barely again (victories mind you from a candidate running as a conservativ), McCain lost and Romney lost.

The fact remains that we haven’t had a strong conservative as the nominee since Reagan and we haven’t had a large victory since Reagan (Bush’s first victory is essentially Reagan’s third).

Medved apparently doesn’t want candidates’ moderation to be considered as a factor in their continual losses.


19 posted on 08/12/2013 9:36:27 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind

Michael is your typical Big-Spender Republican. Not quite fiscally conservative, embraces the practical, and supports the establishment. Not a quite a liberal. Religious in his own home. ‘Tolerant’ of abberant behavior.

Jeb Bush is his man, Sarah Palin is a ‘Persona non-grata’.

He represents the Republican party and the reason why we will be saddled with every entitlement program the DemocRATs will shove up our collective *sses, while all the time telling us he is against it.

W.A.S.S.


20 posted on 08/12/2013 9:37:22 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: SeekAndFind

America has taken a 100 year dumbing down trip. Of course there are hardly any conservatives out there. She gone.


21 posted on 08/12/2013 9:37:34 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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22 posted on 08/12/2013 9:39:15 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting....


23 posted on 08/12/2013 9:39:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: marron

Medved is a typical moderate manipulator. He tells you about the conservative failures he wants you to think about while carefully avoiding conservative successes. Even worse, he’s one of the clowns who posthumously converts moderates into conservatives and conservatives as needed.

I never hear much mention of Michigan tea partier Kerry Bentivolio who converted the moderate McCotter district against a hand picked moderate picked by the GOP. My own district went from McCain style “moderate” to conservative, to a 1 term liberal democrat, back to the conservative for 2 more terms. (Sounds like a gain to me)


24 posted on 08/12/2013 9:39:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Borges

The legislation Reagan signed in the spring of 1967 legalized abortion from the moment of conception with exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother.

This remained Reagan’s position as president.

Now the GOP-E has passed legislation in the House and deep red states only that allows every and any abortion to be legal during the first 20 week, then the exceptions kick in and they want us to believe they are good conservatives.


25 posted on 08/12/2013 9:40:28 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Yep. The Dan Balz book about the election pretty much confirms that that strains of class warfare out there were running hot and deep, and it was not very hard to exploit them to get Obama re-elected. People were willing to set aside any objective evaluations of his performance over that.

1400 pages of raw material from people who felt they were unfairly treated at work? America is really, really cheesed-off at its boss apparently. And under those conditions, laissez-faire capitalism becomes all but unsellable.


26 posted on 08/12/2013 9:41:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

It boils down to the consumer, the voter. The one who convinces them he/she has the best product win.

[Of course, that does not mean the winner actually does have the best product.]

In the last several elections, the Republicans just have not fielded candidates who can ‘sell’ their product to the voters.

2012:

One forget which department he would eliminate.

One did sort of go flakey.

One couldn’t win either Florida debate, but somehow he would have been marvelous against Obama?

One got caught in old hanky-panky that turned out to be stories rather than story.

One couldn’t keep his senate seat so several years later he thinks he is ready for the big chair.

One kept promising revelations on the birth certificate issue, but that fizzled when he couldn’t produce.

The one who did get the nomination was actually the author of the precursor to Obamacare.

That was the best the Republicans had to offer. And they wonder why they lost?


27 posted on 08/12/2013 9:42:13 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bringing up running against Dukakis proves nothing. He was a pitiful candidate. Like McCain and Romney.


28 posted on 08/12/2013 9:42:20 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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The best strategy now, I feel, is to break away from the GOP to form an authentic conservative party, with the expectation that 2016 might be the last hurrah for the GOP in a vote splitter, then pick up the pieces and let the political spectrum re-align around leftist Democrats and authentic conservatives without this wishy-washy centrist third rail which has been mostly a short circuit in modern times. Bush (W) won more as a conservative than a centrist, and the elder Bush’s win as mentioned above was in expectation of a continued conservative administration that generally fizzled out. Otherwise, the record of centrist Republicans since 1976 has been poor with the electorate either staying home, splitting off or remaining unenthused to the point where any Democrat could win, even deeply flawed ones.

I think it’s time to abandon the GOP and back a new American Conservative Party. There may be something out there with the name and skeleton already. The platform should be libertarian enough to attract that wedge of support, then build from that base — small, efficient government, a strong military, cutting back the power of the state and the entitlement culture, intelligent economic policy, caution on climate and homosexual agendas that threaten to undermine America ... all the sorts of things that the RINO crowd will not touch and cannot understand.

It would be worth one term of Hillary Clinton to kill of the GOP, after all, there is no RINO much different from Hillary Clinton anyway.


29 posted on 08/12/2013 9:43:41 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: SeekAndFind

Medved uses the election of the two Bush’s to prove his point.

He fails to recognize that Bush the elder (George H.W. Bush) may have won in 1988, when he did run as a conservative, but he lost in 1992 after he had failed to govern as one.

With respect to Bush Junior (George W. Bush) he did run as a somewhat wishy washy “compassionate conservative” in 2000 and he lost the popular vote to a very weak candidate and only won office because of the Electoral College. Had Ralph Nader not run under the Green Party flag, and siphoned a few thousand liberal votes from Gore, Gore would have beaten Bush in Florida and won the Electoral College as well as the popular vote. He almost lost his reelection bid in 2004 and likely would have lost if he hadn’t been lucky enough to face the patrician “no personality” John Kerry. The truth is the younger Bush was a moderate and his “compassionate conservatism” neither played well with real conservatives nor the moderates the GOP elites love to embrace.


30 posted on 08/12/2013 9:43:42 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sorry to say I have listened to this surrender monkey in the past.
We cannot out democrap the democraps.
Our country needs to reform their social agenda past.


31 posted on 08/12/2013 9:45:05 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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Actually, he was once a liberal. So, he is just returning to his roots.

I can't stomach the guy.

32 posted on 08/12/2013 9:45:07 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
... it would be physically impossible to deport that many people.

Not impossible at all.

Mexico did it.

33 posted on 08/12/2013 9:45:41 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well he’s right. There’s no way in hell if you can’t win the primaries you can win an election. Conservatives need to find a candidate who wins both.


34 posted on 08/12/2013 9:46:10 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: SeekAndFind

In 1988, George H.W. Bush sought the presidency by promising to deliver a “kinder, gentler” America. “

Nope.

That line came up after he was elected.


35 posted on 08/12/2013 9:48:30 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: SeekAndFind

How did that McCain / Romney thing work out for you, Michael?


36 posted on 08/12/2013 9:49:41 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Where's my pressure cooker backpack wmd ricin laced al qaeda terrorist BASSELOPE?)
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To: SeekAndFind

In 1988, George H.W. Bush sought the presidency by promising to deliver a “kinder, gentler” America. “

In fact, now that I thik about it, and apparently I have in about sixty seconds thought more about it than Medved, Bush ACTUALLY ran as a brass balls conservative.

Ever heard of Willie Horton?

How about Lee Atwater?

Medved is simply wrong on his facts here.


37 posted on 08/12/2013 9:49:45 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: SeekAndFind

I used to listen to Michael a lot and have recently been thinking of hunting him down again. This article convinces me to not even bother.

He conveniently doesn’t discuss Reagan’s 2 landslides by running as a staunch conservative and credits Bush I as winning on the GOP move to the left. The reality is that Bush I only won because the voters expected it to be a “third term” for conservatives.

Then I scan further down and he seems to be crediting Nixon as some great President. I would rank Nixon as one of the worst 5 Presidents, simply because he gave us the EPA and the WOsD. Both of which are majorly trampling on our individual liberty and freedom.

MM, I thought I knew you...I guess I was wrong. Maybe you’ve just seen too many movies...


38 posted on 08/12/2013 9:49:58 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bush won on Reagan’s name. Nixon won on Vietnam. This Guy is an IDIOT


39 posted on 08/12/2013 9:50:14 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: riri

You don’t have to scratch him very deeply to find “big-government thug”.


40 posted on 08/12/2013 9:50:38 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Against all logic, some prominent conservatives continue to promote the absurd proposition that right-wing candidates who fail to win over GOP voters in Republican primaries would magically succeed on November ballots.
Umm, the majority of the early GOP primaries, where the races are won or lost, occur mainly in blue states and allow crossover votes. (in order to be "inclusive")

The people that would come out in the general election to support a conservative candidate have little or no say in how the Republican choice is nominated.

All the "pundits" tend to gloss over that little factoid.

41 posted on 08/12/2013 9:52:46 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: SeekAndFind

As soon as I saw “Medved”,

I mentally threw it in the trash.

Here’s my personal breaking point with Medved: when he got hot and bothered when we (conservatives) were calling McCain a “RINO”.

Medved whined and cried and said it wasn’t a winning strategy.


42 posted on 08/12/2013 9:55:43 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I despise Michael Medved. This guy has been dining out on his ‘conservative talk show host’ shtick for far too long.


43 posted on 08/12/2013 9:57:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Taking “conservative” strategic advise from Medved isn’t far from what mclame will tell us how to behave.

Look up GOPe in the dictionary and you find Medved’s pic along with the other usual suspects.


44 posted on 08/12/2013 9:59:19 AM PDT by X-spurt (Ready for the CRUZ missle.)
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To: svcw

I used to listen to Medved until he got all touchy feely and started moving to the dark side.


45 posted on 08/12/2013 10:00:25 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Medved is really missing it.

Yes, the country has moved farther than we all would have thought, but the attempt needs to be made to bring it back because liberal polices simply lead to destruction in all areas of life.

The attempt at educating people to see that conservatism is the right way to approach life and politics, a positive way that leads to renewal and a better life is something that needs to be done, not capitulation to the destructive nonsense of liberalism.

46 posted on 08/12/2013 10:00:32 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE)
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To: circlecity

Bush used that “kinder, gentler” phrase in his inaugural address, not during the campaign. Medved needs to take his Gingko.


47 posted on 08/12/2013 10:01:39 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Third Person
O.K. Mike, no need to change strategy.

The path to victory is paved with the likes of Romney, McCain, and Dole.

Medved was a McCain supporter from the get-go in 2008, and he was an early Romney supporter in 2012.

48 posted on 08/12/2013 10:03:13 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SeekAndFind

That neo-Con is now a Re-O-Lib.


49 posted on 08/12/2013 10:07:00 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Nervous Tick

Not much of a choice in my market on weekday afternoons—it’s Medved, Hannity or music.


50 posted on 08/12/2013 10:09:18 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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